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  • Stormscale
  • 0. Living bomb castable on multiple targets   29/06/2009 13:32:33 PDT
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Living bomb in PTR is castable on multiple targets which was thought to be a bug.

Well it isn't! verified by GC himself.

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=18031189273&pageNo=1&sid=1#6
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  • Karazhan
  • 1. Re: Living bomb castable on multiple targets   29/06/2009 13:49:51 PDT
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I hope it doesn't stay like that. It's balanced to only be put on one target at a time, this means it'll inevitably be nerfed for single-target DPS. Not exactly what mages need.
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  • 2. Re: Living bomb castable on multiple targets   29/06/2009 14:14:28 PDT
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hmmm odd.

hope this idd doesnt mean single target dps is nerfed.

would be cool though if dps was same but max of 3 targets to cast it on/
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  • 4. Re: Living bomb castable on multiple targets   29/06/2009 16:09:27 PDT
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Perhaps not quite as OP as it first seems.

By the time you've spammed it on 3 or more targets they'll be almost dead anyway and you'll get no chance to catch up with those who started spamming mass aoe damage on all targets instantly.

In fact I can't think of a single PvE fight (possibly Freya's adds phases) where this will be a gain over LB>FS>Blizzard or even just blizzard or AE spam which is much better than many give it credit for.

The main weakness of LB as anything other than a background DoT on bosses to help boost DPS and offset losses to movement is the 12 second delay before it does much.

What I've seen most people requesting is the bomb to explode when the mob dies so it isn't almost entirely wasted, which is a good indication that being able to spam more bombs won't really help DPS.
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  • Wildhammer
  • 5. Re: Living bomb castable on multiple targets   29/06/2009 16:55:48 PDT
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Perhaps not quite as OP as it first seems.

By the time you've spammed it on 3 or more targets they'll be almost dead anyway and you'll get no chance to catch up with those who started spamming mass aoe damage on all targets instantly.

In fact I can't think of a single PvE fight (possibly Freya's adds phases) where this will be a gain over LB>FS>Blizzard or even just blizzard or AE spam which is much better than many give it credit for.

The main weakness of LB as anything other than a background DoT on bosses to help boost DPS and offset losses to movement is the 12 second delay before it does much.

What I've seen most people requesting is the bomb to explode when the mob dies so it isn't almost entirely wasted, which is a good indication that being able to spam more bombs won't really help DPS.



Yeah i agree, they should keep the 1 target only restriction.

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  • 6. Re: Living bomb castable on multiple targets   29/06/2009 17:25:20 PDT
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Blizzard never buff us, than finally they buff 1 of our abilities and you stat crying:
NOOO DONT BUFF MEEE!
Thats why blizzard never buff us.
Thanks noobs.
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  • 7. Re: Living bomb castable on multiple targets   29/06/2009 17:52:38 PDT
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Q u o t e:
Blizzard never buff us, than finally they buff 1 of our abilities and you stat crying:
NOOO DONT BUFF MEEE!
Thats why blizzard never buff us.
Thanks noobs.

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  • Ravencrest
  • 8. Re: Living bomb castable on multiple targets   29/06/2009 18:03:55 PDT
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It's not a big thing, but Living Bomb is actually nearly OP in large scale PvP. I love casting it on Horde IF raids. Nothing they can do but eat the damage :) gonna be even more fun like this.

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  • Stormreaver
  • 9. Re: Living bomb castable on multiple targets   29/06/2009 19:49:08 PDT
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwVyXgbaXHs&feature=PlayList&p=9BC1A63609E963AA&index=0&playnext=1

This is what Living bomb should be like.

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  • 10. Re: Living bomb castable on multiple targets   29/06/2009 20:00:11 PDT
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwVyXgbaXHs&feature=PlayList&p=9BC1A63609E963AA&index=0&playnext=1

This is what Living bomb should be like.

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  • Karazhan
  • 11. Re: Living bomb castable on multiple targets   30/06/2009 01:38:55 PDT
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Q u o t e:


In fact I can't think of a single PvE fight (possibly Freya's adds phases) where this will be a gain over LB>FS>Blizzard or even just blizzard or AE spam which is much better than many give it credit for.




I can think of a few fights where it would be quite a significant DPS increase, whether as a replacement for normal AE or not.

Razorscale, Possibly XT, Kologarn, Auriya, Freya, Mimiron. Not to mention Yogg, on phase 2 and 3.

It's great news for those who like fire in BGs, I guess. A couple of fire mages putting LB on all of the other team, what a sight that'll be.

I simply can't fathom why they think this is a good idea. We don't need the DPS boost, so them allowing it to be cast on multiple targets means that it's inevitably going to be nerfed in some way (I'm thinking the explosion won't be an AE anymore, if you want it to hit multiple people, you'll have to cast it multiple times).

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  • Stormreaver
  • 13. Re: Living bomb castable on multiple targets   30/06/2009 02:05:18 PDT
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Explosion won't be AE anymore? That wouldn't make living bomb much of a BOMB now would it? :P

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  • 14. Re: Living bomb castable on multiple targets   30/06/2009 02:05:39 PDT
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Q u o t e:


I can think of a few fights where it would be quite a significant DPS increase, whether as a replacement for normal AE or not.


Significant how?


Q u o t e:
Razorscale, Possibly XT, Kologarn, Auriya, Freya, Mimiron. Not to mention Yogg, on phase 2 and 3.


The adds at many of those fights don't live long enough, it won't be a boost over direct AoE.


Q u o t e:
It's great news for those who like fire in BGs, I guess. A couple of fire mages putting LB on all of the other team, what a sight that'll be.


It will only serve to put those mages right at the top of the kill on sight list.


Q u o t e:
I simply can't fathom why they think this is a good idea. We don't need the DPS boost


It isn't a real DPS boost, in most of the situations where it's even an option it will be the least effective option. Maybe they plan on making the new encounters multi LB friendly.
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  • Stormreaver
  • 15. Re: Living bomb castable on multiple targets   30/06/2009 02:09:33 PDT
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Thorim, Phase 1.

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  • 16. Re: Living bomb castable on multiple targets   30/06/2009 02:09:50 PDT
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I think deep fire would be better in 5's where you have the support of 1-2 healers with this change. Would be nice.

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  • Karazhan
  • 17. Re: Living bomb castable on multiple targets   30/06/2009 02:16:43 PDT
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The adds at many of those fights don't live long enough, it won't be a boost over direct AoE.




It'll be far more noticeable on fights where you wouldn't be using AE anyway, but considering you can apply 3 LBs in the time it takes to cast FS, it should be viable on the rare occasions you AE fairly tough mobs. All 3 parts of Mimiron on phase 4, to a lesser extent some of the junkbots, etc on phase 3. The body and both arms on Kologarn. Guardians and multiple roots on Yogg, as well as Yogg himself. Multiple detonating lashers on Freya. The sentries at the start and then Auriya as well as her feral defender.

Presumably you kill all of this stuff well inside 12 seconds and I need to l2p.

It doesn't matter if it's not used on every fight, even if it's only used on a few bosses here and there, it's been balanced to be usede on one target. If it can be used situationally on multiple targets to good effects, it'll be nerfed. And considering how you wouldn't seem to value it on multiple targets even in its current state, that's probably a pretty bad thing.

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  • 18. Re: Living bomb castable on multiple targets   30/06/2009 02:27:03 PDT
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It'll be far more noticeable on fights where you wouldn't be using AE anyway, but considering you can apply 3 LBs in the time it takes to cast FS, it should be viable on the rare occasions you AE fairly tough mobs. All 3 parts of Mimiron on phase 4, to a lesser extent some of the junkbots, etc on phase 3. The body and both arms on Kologarn. Guardians and multiple roots on Yogg, as well as Yogg himself. Multiple detonating lashers on Freya. The sentries at the start and then Auriya as well as her feral defender.

Presumably you kill all of this stuff well inside 12 seconds and I need to l2p.


My comments are aimed at the game not at you, no need to get arsey.

Auriaya sentries die in much less than 12 seconds. by the time you've even finished spamming 4 (or 5 including the boss) LB's the first sentry is dead and you've done almost no damage to anything.

Kologarn, I doubt the gripped people will thank you for spamming LB's on the body and left arm. The right arm needs to be burned down asap and LB isn't going to do that.

Mimiron P4 is an option that might work but again it's important specific parts are nuked hard and 3 LB's aren't going to that.

All i'm saying is that where multi LB is an option it's also highly likely it won't be the best option.
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  • 19. Re: Living bomb castable on multiple targets   30/06/2009 03:08:40 PDT
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Popping LB on everything will reduce your DPS in pve anyway, say theres 5 mobs... you Living Bomb all 5, by the time the last one is affected, you'd probably need to reapply the first.


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