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Well, so far im using this one.

http://armory.wow-europe.com/character-talents.xml?r=Sporeggar&n=Hind%c3%a0ril

so thats similar to ur first one Haldir,

I have to try the two others that u guys are talking about and see, thx alot.

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Hey, I've looked at both your and Giel's talent builds, and I must say there are some wrong choices in both IMO.

Giel:

Get rid of Combat Experience, it's horrible. Do the math: You have 400 agi (for instance), you get 2% extra, that's just 8 extra agility for 2 talent points. Intellect is important, but 6% extra isn't that much to invest 2 talent points in.

Imp. Arcane Shot (aka 1 second less casting time) isn't really really bad, but IMO there are better choices. For PvP purposes I'd rather take imp. Concusive Shot, for PvE I'd get Imp. Hunter's Mark.

I must say I never really use stings, maybe viper in PvP on priests and pesky pallies etc. but in PvE I don't really use stings that much. I don't really know how much it improves your dmg/minute etc.

Your survival picks seem to be ok, although for PvE I'd rather get some other talents, like Trap Mastery. If trapping resists in raids = whipe in a lot of cases. Also I'm not sure about Survival Instincts, is it a good talent? Seems in order though :)

Hindàril:

Pretty good build if you ask me. Get rid of Combat Experience as well, get rid of the imp. Arcane Shot talents and it's fine :)

I'm always up for rating builds, if you'd like my comments on it :)

ive always been MM , during lvling , pvp and raids i dont really know how to play other talents.

BM is a great spec to try. It made leveling a hell of a lot easier and certainly improved my dps no end.

Should I go something like 5/14/42 or go hybrid surv with scattershot? And what is the minimum amount of agility unbuffed you would recommend BEFORE respeccing? (so no talents)

http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/basics/talents/hunter/talents.html?0000000000000000000000505201205010000000033300032500300300530340#none i was thinking of going this spec for pvp/raid/pve because i still got scatter shot, trueshot aura, and intimedation, so my pet can still hold the agro for pve but i can still pwn in pvp/raids, guys reply and let me know if u like this build or how i can improve

http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/basics/talents/hunter/talents.html?0000000000000000000000545001005000000000033301001510302300530350

Well this is my build now, and tbh i like it the most for raiding

Yes, it doesnt have AotH, and thats a loss, however that is made up by other talents.
Readiness is useless to me since i always make a full rotation, and using this talent would just break it. Its always like this: misdirect, aimed, multi/auto (whichever first), auto/arcane, steady, auto, steady, multi, auto, arcane, etc. And with this build i can afford this mana burning - i get mana back from every shot crit and they also cost less mana for me to use. I also crit a LOT and the +10% crit talent procs alot too!

I dont have imp mark because the other hunter in my guild has it, and if we are 10-man without another hunter, the remaining melee still get a nice +25% of my agi in ap bonus.

Works for me :)

You know a Survial hunter ownez BM hunter.

(( switches character to suit the topic ))

I wanted to go for a BM raid spec when I hit 70 and decided to come up with this one to allow me to include imp. mend pet and imp. revive pet:

http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/basics/talents/hunter/talents.html?5020120052521204310510550201205000000000000000000000000000000000

[quote]Listed below are various viable talent builds, mainly to give players who aren't sure what talent build is right for them, an idea on where to put their points. Since everyone has their own playing style, and most talents are fairly balanced out now, there are no 100% correct builds but some may be slightly better than others.

Note that the talent builds and comments are made with the lvl 70 cap in mind and the latest 2.0.6 patch. I will keep the old talent builds as a reference for those without TBC.

--- Solo / Leveling ---

When it comes to leveling and questing, you will be playing solo a lot of the time. For this I can only recommend the BM tree. Your pet can be a great tank, add a good amount of damage, are very gear-independent and make grinding very mana-efficient, decreasing downtime in between fights considerably. On top of that, they are fun and obedient companions to have with you on your journeys, and improving them by talents will let you kill enemies while leveling faster than any other build!

PvE Solo / Leveling build (1-60) - 43/5/3

http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/basics/talents/hunter/talents.html?0500320152501225013510500000000000000000000300000000000000000000

Mainly improving your pet, this will make leveling and questing solo a lot faster. If you're wondering what pet to get, it doesn't really matter since they are all similar, but some are slightly better than others. Just make sure you take pets you like, since you'll be spending a lot of time with them! Boars/bears are good to start off with since they are quite tough and eat pretty much everything (except gnomes). The boar charge & gore ability is quite nice too. Later on you might want to get a high damage pet like a cat to make grinding faster.

I'll give some advice on in what order you might want to spend your talent points while you are leveling:

Lvl 10-14: BM: Endurance Training 5/5
Lvl 15-17: BM: Thick Hide 3/3
Lvl 18-19: BM: Improved Revive Pet 2/2
Lvl 20: BM: Bestial Swiftness 1/1
Lvl 21-25: BM: Unleashed Fury 5/5
Lvl 26: BM: Improved Mend Pet 1/2
Lvl 27-29: BM: Ferocity 3/5
Lvl 30: BM: Intimidation 1/1
Lvl 31-32: BM: Ferocity 5/5
Lvl 33-34: BM: Bestial Discipline 2/2
Lvl 35-37: BM: Frenzy 3/5
Lvl 38-39: BM: Animal Handler 2/2
Lvl 40: BM: Bestial Wrath 1/1
Lvl 41-43: BM: Catlike Reflexes 3/3
Lvl 44: BM: Frenzy 4/5
Lvl 46-49: BM: Serpent's Swiftness 5/5
Lvl 50: BM: The Beast Within 1/1
Lvl 51: BM: Frenzy 5/5
Lvl 52-56: MM: Lethal Shots 5/5
Lvl 57-59: Surv: Hawk Eye 3/3
Lvl 60: BM: Improved Mend Pet 2/2

PvE Solo / Leveling build (60-70) - 48/13/0

Starts at lvl 60 with:

http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/basics/talents/hunter/talents.html?0520300151521225010510550000000000000000000000000000000000000000

Lvl 61-62: MM: Go for the Throat 2/2
Lvl 63: MM: Aimed Shot 1/1
Lvl 64-66: BM: Catlike Reflexes 3/3
Lvl 67-69: BM: Ferocious Inspiration 3/3
Lvl 70: BM: Improved Revive Pet 1/2

Ends at lvl 70 with:

http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/basics/talents/hunter/talents.html?0520310151521225313510550201000000000000000000000000000000000000

Note that the build is mainly BM and starts with a different spec than the lvl 1-60 build ended, so you may have to respec.

A viable build, regardless of gear. I find Spirit Bond a nice HP regen for the player (while solo) so even if you occasionaly take a hit you won't need to worry about your HP, as it will regenerate even in combat. Aimed Shot won't be needed much at all, but it can be a great opening shot (like after you trapped someone that tried to gank you or in instances combined with the Misdirection ability). Hawk Eye is always nice to have, but it does not contribute as well to solo or instance play as Ferocious Inspiration.

--- Raiding ---

Raiding builds are designed to improve your or your guild's overall damage in current end-game content. Following builds try to increase your damage and usefulness in raids the most.

Consider having at least one hunter with you with the Impr. HM talent, for the boost to the melee damage from other classes (ideally this talent is best taken by hunters with a BM raiding build).

For the best use of the GftT ability, get a Wind Serpent, since their Lightning Breath ability has no cooldown and is instant, making it a good focus dump. On top of that Lightning Breath scales the best with the Hunter's Attack Power, making it especially useful for MM builds.

On the topic of Aot Hawk vs Aot Viper, i think AotH might still be useful for fights where mana is not a big issue, doing as much damage as possible in a short time, which could make Impr. AotH still a useful talent to have.

PvE MM raiding build - 4/47/0 - 7/49/5

Lvl 60: http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/basics/talents/hunter/talents.html?4000000000000000000000505251205013053135100000000000000000000000

Lvl 70: http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/basics/talents/hunter/talents.html?5020000000000000000000505251205013253135102300000000000000000000

A decent raid build, mainly focusing on damage. It puts the focus on lots of crits combined with GftT, which will let your Wind Serpent do an additional 200-300 damage with Lightning Breath every time you crit.

PvE MM raiding build (with Impr. HM) - 7/44/0 - 7/51/3

Lvl 60: http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/basics/talents/hunter/talents.html?5020000000000000000000555051205010053105100000000000000000000000

Lvl 70: http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/basics/talents/hunter/talents.html?5020000000000000000000552251205013253135100300000000000000000000

It's a good idea to have a hunter with you in your raid with improved hunters mark for a nice damage boost to your melee classes. Although it would make some more sense to have a BM hunter use Impr. HM, this is good in case there isn't always one of those around.

PvE BM raiding build - 39/12/0 - 41/20/0

Lvl 60: http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/basics/talents/hunter/talents.html?5020300050521224310400550200000000000000000000000000000000000000

Lvl 70: http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/basics/talents/hunter/talents.html?5020300050521224310510550201205000000000000000000000000000000000

This is a bit of an out of the ordinary build, mainly relying on your pet to do a lot of damage. You won't have Hawk Eye, but you'll have GftT and Mortal Shots. Combined with Impr. AotH, Serpent's Swiftness, Lethal Shots and a fast ranged weapon, you will be doing a lot of crits and as a result your pet will be doing damage like crazy. Make sure you have a pet with a good focus dump ability like Lightning Breath (best) or Gore to take full benefit of GftT.

Also this build is ideal to use with Impr. HM, since you don't need Efficiency as much as MM Hunters.

PvE Surv raiding build - 5/5/41 - 5/14/42

Lvl 60: http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/basics/talents/hunter/talents.html?5000000000000000000000500000000000000000033320000500312300530350

Lvl 70: http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/basics/talents/hunter/talents.html?5000000000000000000000505200200000000000033320000500312300530351

Having a hunter (with the most agility) with you in the raid with this build can increase DPS of the other physical damage classes considerably, thanks to the Expose Weakness proc. Most useful in 40-player instances since there are a lot of players that can take advantage of this talent, but in it's current state not as good for the new max 25-player instances in TBC. Readiness in combination with Rapid Killing lets you use the Rapid Fire ability approximately every 90 seconds. Make sure you use a fast ranged weapon for best use of the abilities.

Unfortunately for optimal raid DPS, it does not give much room to put points in useful PvP abilities such as Wyvern Sting or Deterrence.

--- PvP ---

In Player versus Player combat, following builds can prove most effective in killing other players and / or helping your team win.

PvP MM / Surv build - 0/43/8 - 0/41/20

Lvl 60: http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/basics/talents/hunter/talents.html?0000000000000000000005500031205013053135100323000000000000000000

Lvl 70: http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/basics/talents/hunter/talents.html?0000000000000000000005500021215013051135102323030311200000000000

Mainly for Group PvP, this combines very high damage output with some useful talents from the survival tree.

PvP Surv / MM build - 0/21/30 - 5/11/45

Lvl 60: http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/basics/talents/hunter/talents.html?0000000000000000000005500021205010000000000323030511302313000000

Lvl 70: http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/basics/talents/hunter/talents.html?0500000000000000000005500001000000000000003323030511302313501051

Your damage will be lower than the MM / Surv build but you get higher survivability, faster traps and more hit/crit chance. This build is most useful in arenas, although it is upto you to decide whether or not the extra crowd control possibilities are worth sacrificing some of your DPS for.

PvP BM build - 43/5/3 - 43/13/5

Lvl 60: http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/basics/talents/hunter/talents.html?0500320152501225310510500000000000000000000300000000000000000000

Lvl 70: http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/basics/talents/hunter/talents.html?0520300152501225310515500201000000000000000320000000000000000000

In PvP Hunter pets are often underestimated. They can deal a nice amount of damage, and in the meantime interrupt caster's so it takes a lot longer for them to cast spells. Intimidation is a useful 3 second stun, giving you the chance to wingclip your target and get back into range if timed perfectly. With Bestial Wrath and The Beast Within, you and your pet will even be unstoppable for 18 seconds every 2 minutes! Make sure you get a high damage pet like a cat, since the extra armor and/or HP that non-offensive pets bring will have little use i

LOL ROFL ....i was triger happy here...dont h8 me there im troll what did u expect,so wtf ,this just about MM Pve talent others do not interest me .U wanna see build for MM pve check me out ...silencing shot ...where n whom u can silence m8 , boss him self ...cmon go play super mario
just go check it out n let me know ...when u respec on MM ...almost forgoth...take wolf from BEM for ur dmg ....dont play with birds n dragonflys...
Take care all :D

u can go with IAOH ,but that depends on encounters u having during the raid so u can erase that clever traps n go for IAOH ...

Both MM and Survival raiding builds are wrong tbh.

MM should be
http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/basics/talents/hunter/talents.html?0520000000000000000000515201205013253135133300000000000000000000

or a nice hybrid dps build if you have decent agility, low hit rating.
http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/basics/talents/hunter/talents.html?0000000000000000000000515201205013050100033300102500302300500000
with 3 sec weapon
http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/basics/talents/hunter/talents.html?0000000000000000000000505241205010050100033300102500302300500000

Survival should be
http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/basics/talents/hunter/talents.html?0000000000000000000000505201205000000000033300102500302300520350

Possible variations: last point spent on 3/3 ToTH or readinesss.

Also
http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/basics/talents/hunter/talents.html?0000000000000000000000505201205000000000033300102500302300530300

With the last points spent on Wyvern + scater + barrage; or 5/5 imp arcane(4/5+scater if you have 3.00 weapon) or 5/5 imp hmark; or even iath if you have hard times with mana.

Also 5/5 efficiency can be traded for 5/5 hunters mark. And clever traps swaped with imp feign death.

Not having mortal shots as survival is a failure.

I guess there are more wrong talents in this guide so be carefull. Sry OP. Just gathering stuff from other threads isnt enough to be succesfull.

question about the leveling build:

why did you use endurance training instead of improved aspect of the hawk?
isn't it better to have the free dps boost for leveling instead of the 10%/5% more health ?

Srsly, the BM spec are so wrong I really wonder if you have know your class at all...
Look here, if you wanna level fast go with this spec, start spec BM then go over to MM

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=cxbGzxxRVuVoVVbRx

And people have seen movies when hunters at 70 playing with MM spec, its cool and very nice etc, but u level slow as MM and your pet is useless, cant hold aggro etc.

so when u get to 70 and if you wanna spec MM, choose this spec

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=cZVVmoEzhestchhrz

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Srsly, the BM spec are so wrong I really wonder if you have know your class at all...
Look here, if you wanna level fast go with this spec, start spec BM then go over to MM

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=cxbGzxxRVuVoVVbRx

And people have seen movies when hunters at 70 playing with MM spec, its cool and very nice etc, but u level slow as MM and your pet is useless, cant hold aggro etc.

so when u get to 70 and if you wanna spec MM, choose this spec

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=cZVVmoEzhestchhrz

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Gt say you got a nab MM spec, you don't even have IMP AotH and focused fire, i wonder if ''you'' know your class actually. you don't have Combat experience too and at the SV side you choose deterrence, IMP winglip and entrapment?

Your BM built sucks too btw, you don't have animal handler and you have chosen IMP stings above Mortal shots.
Just don't blame others if you don't have a clue yourself.

http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/basics/talents/hunter/talents.html?4520300150501025310510550201200000000000000300000000000000000000

offensive BM build

This post fails, you only show 50% of the viable talents.

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This post fails, you only show 50% of the viable talents.

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works fine for moi?