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  • 0. Paladin Talent Builds in v2.0 & TBC   12/12/2006 06:56:08 PST
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Paladin Builds 2.0

Table of Contents:

    I. Introduction
    II. 51 pts builds
    III. 61 pts builds
    IV. Paladin talent guide *** under construction ***
    a., Holy Talents
    b., Protection Talents
    c., Retribution Talents
    V. Common levelling talent guide *** under construction ***
    VI. Common questions

last updated - 2006-12-16


I. Introduction


With the patch v2.0 we received the 41 pts talent trees from the upcoming expansion pack. This changed our gameplay quite much, since we've received new possibilities, and thus some of our jobs became easier, as we could spec up with more appropriate talents. In this thread I would like to gather up the common talent builds that paladins use, and include a small guide to each of the talent trees. I don't say that my words are the manifest of the unquestionable truth, mostly I will include my personal opinion.
The talent build section is divided into two part, the 51 pts part, and the 61 pts one. Currently we have access to only 51 pts, but with the Burning Crusade it will change. Thou I would like to keep the 51 pts part as well, since not all players will buy the expansion. In many builds you could find many options on different tiers, like Unyielding Faith vs. Lay of Hands in Holy. I think there is no "best" option, but you can choose the one that fit your personal playing style.

If you feel that you have a valid and unique talent build, that is not in this thread/list so far, please post it; and I will include it in a few days. But if you put 2 points elsewhere without any serious reason, its just a variant. :)
Also it would be nice to include a short or longer description sorting out the reasons, and some variable points (if any) here and there.



II. 51 pts builds section


40/11/0 - Holy Spelldamage with Kings build
http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/basics/talents/paladin/talents.html?055030025201305310500532010000000000000000000000000000000000000

This build focuses primary on spelldamage and support abilities. Improved Blessing of Wisdom, Improved Protection Blessings, and Blessing of Kings makes this a well all around support build. If you have some spelldamage equipment you can dish out quite nice damage with a two hander, as Seal and Judgement of Righteousness and benefit much from +spelldamage, and you can use Holy Shock every fifteen seconds. (Thou for combat healing I would use a shield personally.)
The points in Unyielding Faith are moveable, personally I like it better then the Lay of Hands talent, and Aura Mastery is currently obsolate with some Judgement Armor pieces. On later, when you may change your tier 2 set (or now, if you do not have three pieces), I would use 1/1 Aura Mastery & 1/2 Unyielding Faith on that row.
The healer aspect is unquestionable as you have Sanctified Light, Healing Light and Light's Grace. You can throw out some really big manafree heals with it, as Holy Light receives +11% to crit, and you could be a very viable pvp healer with the help Light's Grace.
This build suits damage/healing gear well.


40/0/11 - Holy Spelldamage with Seal of Command
http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/basics/talents/paladin/talents.html?055031205201325010500000000000000000000005023000100000000000000

This build focuses on healing for raid and BG usage, while it has SoC for some melee damage/grinding. It also has improved BoM and BoW which you will be buffing anyways.
The 2 points in Impr. Lay on Hands is optional however, you can put them in Unyielding Faith if you want too, its a matter of taste, I use LoH alot, in raids or in BG. And cheaper Cleanse is nice to, but you can put those into Light's Grace, again, a matter of taste.
I find myself doing allright in BGs with a good combination of + spelldamage/healing and + melee crit chance. Holy Shock is really good every 15 sec, with crits over 1100. A very good alround build that gives you some fun between raids.
Based on the idea of Omegaman.


0/42/9 - Basic Protection/Tanking build
http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/basics/talents/paladin/talents.html?000000000000000000000532013350000152515010520200000000000000000

This would be the basic tanking build I would like to use. The protection tree is pretty straightforward, and from my PTR experiences I can say, you could use it for soloing quite well. Reckoning with an one hander means moderate damage with virtually endless health, while useing a two hander means more damage but also makes you more opened to enemy attacks. Improved Divine Shield is a very good talent, as you could use your bubble every 4 minutes from now, and with the new taunt ability that means some easy moments for the healers during tanking.
The nine point I've put into retribution is mainly because the mana efficiency of Benediction, and I think the eight second judgements could also help with aggro during the cooldown of Righteous Defense. Since you do not need as much healing as other paladins without protection build, you could use the extra mana with Improved Judgements for more damage in solo parts. In my opinion Deflection is also important, as parry means full damage mitigation.
My gear of choice would be a mitigation/stamina one, as spelldamage and mana plays a smaller role in tanking atm.


0/20/31 - Oldschool Retribution build
http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/basics/talents/paladin/talents.html?000000000000000000005032410002300000000005520005102013105001000

Going into retribution and not taking Crusader Strike? Aye! But getting as much stuns as you can, namely a Hammer of Justice with 45(35) seconds and Repentance. PvP armor is highly recommended for its hammer related bonus, so you can throw out as much Judgements of Command damage as you could.
Based on the idea of Sterilizator.


5/0/43 (+3) - Basic Crusader Strike build
http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/basics/talents/paladin/talents.html?050000000000000000000000000000000000000005020505100033105331051

This is some basic like build I would use if I talent for retribution. It has every percentage based damage increasing talents, Sanctity Aura, Repentance and of course Crusader Strike. I still have 3 points remaining what gives me a tough time, since for pvp these would be ideal for Eye for an Eye or Divine Purpose, or even 3/5 Spiritual Focus. For pve I think these points would make little to no difference, maybe if I put them into Improved Sanctity Aura it would make the healing part a bit easier. Personally I feel Improved Seal of the Crusader is a bit of waste, since the percentage is very small, and that amount goes through the coefficient percentage again before it is applied to the final damage.
I would use a crit gear with some spelldamage for this build, but you can get really nice results with pure spelldamage as well.


29/11/11 - Jack of All Trades build
http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/basics/talents/paladin/talents.html?055031015201222000000532010000000000000000520300100000000000000

This build i've designed gives you some nice Seal of Command damage from retribution, some pretty stuff from protection including Blessing of Kings and most of the healing talents from holy. When you level to 70 you can specialize more in the tree.
Based on the idea of Saberlight.



Old 51 pts builds

The pre patch v2.0 51pts builds became pretty obsolate now, as you have many new possible choices for healing, tanking and damage ways; and you are not limited to 31 pts talents anymore. I dont say every old build is bad, but in general you can make much better ones with the new system, so I havent included them.
Thus you can find the old paladin talent build guide here: http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=43964730&sid=1&pageNo=1
Many WoWhead links do not work right now, but you can have an idea from the description of the various builds.

[ Post edited by Antracit ]


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  • 1. 61 pts builds   12/12/2006 06:57:34 PST
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III. 61 pts builds section

Note: with the TBC some talents will actually change, that might have serious impact on some talent builds. Like added damage reduction to Righteous Fury, stamina enchantment on Impr. Divine Shield, 15 seconds duration to Divine Illumination, 2% damage per point in Vengeance, and 10 seconds cooldown on Crusader Strike.


40/0/21 - Holy Smiter build
http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/basics/talents/paladin/talents.html?055031015201305310500000000000000000000000520504100030100000000

This utilizes the damaging aspect of holy, as Holy Shock and Sanctity Aura could be a part of the same talent build after a long time. On tier3 in Retribution I am uncertain if I need Seal of Command or not, but for a testing reason I would take it for sure.


44/15/0 (+2) - Holy Offtank build
http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/basics/talents/paladin/talents.html?055031015201305313510532013100000000000000000000000000000000000

Holy build with focus on raid/small instance utility, many improved blessings, Blessing of Kings, and also mitigation for every situation from Blessed Life and Improved Righteous Fury.


0/44/12 (+5) - Full Tanking build
http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/basics/talents/paladin/talents.html?000000000000000000000532013352000152515010520500000000000000000

The improved version of the mentioned tanking build, but now with the extra points 5/5 Deflection and 2/2 Stoicism. The five extra points could go into holy for more mana or strenght, or Conviction for improved solo usage.


0/30/31 - The Reckoning & Repentance Experience
http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/basics/talents/paladin/talents.html?000000000000000000000532113002330052000000520505122003005001000

Basic offensive reckoning build of the v2.0.
Based on the idea of Arius


0/20/41 - Stunning Retribution
http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/basics/talents/paladin/talents.html?000000000000000000005032410002300000000005520005102003125301051

Another retribution & protection build, based on the 45(35) second cooldown of Hammer of Justice & Seal of Command synergy. PvP armor is highly recommended for the hammer bonus with this build.
Might be a subject to later editing because the TBC talent changes, due to the added damage reduction bonus of Righteous Fury; and also in retribution tree to get Crusade, thus maxing out percentage based +% damage there.
Based on the idea of Sterilizator


13/0/42 (+6) - Raid/PvP Retribution Utility build
http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/basics/talents/paladin/talents.html?055030000000000000000000000000000000000005020505100033125031051

Pretty simple, a raid friendly retribution build, with some abilities to make healing as well. The Improved Sanctity Aura may be very useful in certain situations if you need excessive healing. PvP talents not included, but the six unused points could be used for Eye for an Eye and Divine Purpose.


5/11/45 - Tri-way Retribution King
http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/basics/talents/paladin/talents.html?500000000000000000005032010000000000000005023025102033105331051

Combining the Crusader Strike with BoK and Divine Strenght? Sounds painful.
With the available Kings you might want to move points to Benediction in retribution tier1 for the best mana efficiency thou.
Based on the idea of Thaek

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  • 2. Re: Paladin Talent Builds in v2.0 & TBC   12/12/2006 06:58:10 PST
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VI. Common Questions

1. Benediction vs. Sanctified Light

Description:
Benediction rank 5 (tier1 talent): Reduces the cost of your Judgement and Seal spells by 15%.
Sanctified Light rank 3 (tier6 talent): Gives your Judgement spell a 100% chance to return 50% of the mana cost of the judged seal.

Which one is the more worthy?
You can bring down this question to the maths, or check from the availability of Sanctified Light. If you are into a deep Holy or Protection spec, your only option is Benediction. However if you have points to reach both, which one is the more worthy to take? Lets do some calculations!

Course one (seal - judge - reseal):
-SoC with Benediction: (210 + 90 + 210) * 0.85 = 433.5
-SoR with Benediction: (200 + 90 + 200) * 0.85 = 416.5

-SoC with Sanctified Light: (210 + 90 + 210) - 105 = 405
-SoR with Sanctified Light: (200 + 90 + 200) - 100 = 390

Course two (seal sotc - judge - seal - judge - reseal):
-SoC with Benediction: (160 + 90 + 210 + 90 + 210) * 0.85 = 646
-SoR with Benediction: (160 + 90 + 200 + 90 + 200) * 0.85 = 629

-SoC with Sanctified Light: (160 + 90 + 210 + 90 + 210) - 80 - 105 = 575
-SoR with Sanctified Light: (160 + 90 + 200 + 90 + 200) - 80 - 100 = 560

As you can see, in situations like these, Sanctified Light produces a better result.

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  • 3. Re: Paladin Talent Builds in v2.0 & TBC   12/12/2006 06:58:44 PST
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reserved #02 for later usage.

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  • 4. Re: Paladin Talent Builds in v2.0 & TBC   12/12/2006 07:39:24 PST
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  • 5. Re: Paladin Talent Builds in v2.0 & TBC   12/12/2006 12:33:31 PST
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Im rerolling 2 a paladin and since im a 100% hordie im a noob in this area but how about this spec for pvp healing? http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/basics/talents/paladin/talents.html?055031205001305313515502000300300000000000000000000000000000000

edit: maybe 2/3 in improved shield and 1 in BOK if you wanna have a little tweaking for raid stuff

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  • 6. Re: Paladin Talent Builds in v2.0 & TBC   12/12/2006 12:44:56 PST
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  • 7. Re: Paladin Talent Builds in v2.0 & TBC   12/12/2006 13:18:41 PST
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Sterilizator, strikadin 006 - the 6 qualifies me to strike faces
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  • 8. Re: Paladin Talent Builds in v2.0 & TBC   12/12/2006 14:16:42 PST
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http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/basics/talents/paladin/talents.html?500000000000000000005032010000000000000005023025102033105331051
I've fallen in love with this spec, pure damage and with the right gear I think it could pwn quite good

Pure carebare <3
Just with hell of a dpsspec
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  • 10. Re: Paladin Talent Builds in v2.0 & TBC   13/12/2006 12:14:16 PST
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I really dont understand why this 51 points (2.0.1) build hasnt been posted >40/0/11<

http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/basics/talents/paladin/talents.html?055031205201325010500000000000000000000005023000100000000000000

Most palas in our guild use this or equivalent. Very nice healing on raids and in BGs and it has SoC for some melee damage/grinding.
It has improved BoM and BoW which you will be buffing anyways.

The 2 points in imp Lay on Hands is optional however, you can put them in Unyielding Faith if you want too, its a matter of taste, I use LoH alot, in raids or in BG. And cheaper Cleansing is nice to, but you can put those into Light's Grace, again, a matter of taste.

I find myself doing allright in BGs with a good combination of + spelldamage/healing and + melee crit chance. Holy Shock is really good every 15 sec, with crits over 1100.

A very good alround build that gives you some fun between raids.

[ Post edited by Omegaman ]

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  • 11. Re: Paladin Talent Builds in v2.0 & TBC   13/12/2006 12:52:12 PST
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I really dont understand why this 51 points (2.0.1) build hasnt been posted >40/0/11<

I was lazy, and I was so happy with the kings +40 holy one that i forgot it. my bad. ^^
i added some of the builds, cleared up text, corrected typos and stuff. keep the thoughts coming, and feel free to point out errors. :)

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  • 12. Re: Paladin Talent Builds in v2.0 & TBC   13/12/2006 13:58:52 PST
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  • 13. Re: Paladin Talent Builds in v2.0 & TBC   14/12/2006 01:01:24 PST
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  • 14. Re: Paladin Talent Builds in v2.0 & TBC   14/12/2006 01:14:05 PST
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This is going to be my level 70 build I think, and I've not seen it listed so far:

http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/basics/talents/paladin/talents.html?055031205001315310400502310000000000000000523000100000000000000

Basically it's 39-11-11. holy up to 4/5 Holy Guidance, missing the 41-point talent which I don't think is that good, then enough protection for kings and enough retribution for command.

The 51 point variation I'm using is 39-1-11 on the basis that we won't get another free re-spec, though if paying for a re-spec doesn't scare you 40-0-11 would be a better 51-point version with all 5/5 in holy guidance.
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  • 15. Re: Paladin Talent Builds in v2.0 & TBC   14/12/2006 04:37:20 PST
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Q u o t e:
instead of

http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/basics/talents/paladin/talents.html?055031205201325010500000000000000000000005023000100000000000000

Spelldamage with SoC

i rather do

http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/basics/talents/paladin/talents.html?055530005201305010500000000000000000000005023000100000000000000

since the points of LoH and the aura mastery i think sucks and if you go full spelldamage here do 5 points in improved seal of righteousness











Ive had imp SoR and it sucks imo. (had it when i was a 38/13/0 build). You cant do #*%# yourself, and its really boring. And LoH is really great, if you use it. When you start using it, you can really change the outcome of a fight, in BGs or in raids.
Aura Mastery is ok if you dont have 3 parts of the judgement set. It gives your aura the same distance as your heals. So you can still give you tank devotion aura, heal him, and maybe be out of range of the spells, the boss is shooting around.
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  • 16. Re: Paladin Talent Builds in v2.0 & TBC   14/12/2006 22:40:32 PST
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I took your raid pvp setup and think I may build it a bit like this when i eventually get to level 70 :)

http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/basics/talents/paladin/talents.html?154030000000000000003202000000000000000003223125121110105030300
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  • 17. Re: Paladin Talent Builds in v2.0 & TBC   15/12/2006 00:07:30 PST
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This build seems so logical for me, so i need some criticism pls. What do you think that might be improved?

Bear in ming that this is designed for the ret spec who doesnt want to miss out healing and mana conservation as much as possible. And i think Crusade is not really necessary since its gonna give me 1030 pt. hits instead of 1000 pt. hits.

http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/basics/talents/paladin/talents.html?055030025000000000000000000000000000000000520505102003125031051

criticism is very welcome
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  • 18. Re: Paladin Talent Builds in v2.0 & TBC   15/12/2006 03:14:37 PST
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  • 19. Re: Paladin Talent Builds in v2.0 & TBC   15/12/2006 15:17:30 PST
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The Jack Of All Trades - Lvl 60 Build

Minimum Required Level: 60
Required Talent Points: 51

Holy Talents - 29 point(s)

Divine Intellect - rank 5/5
Spiritual Focus - rank 5/5
Healing Light - rank 3/3
Aura Mastery - rank 1/1
Unyielding Faith - rank 1/2
Illumination - rank 5/5
Improved Blessing of Wisdom - rank 2/2
Divine Favor - rank 1/1
Sanctified Light - rank 2/3
Purifying Power - rank 2/2
Holy Power - rank 2/5

Protection Talents - 11 point(s)

Redoubt - rank 5/5
Precision - rank 3/3
Guardian's Favor - rank 2/2
Blessing of Kings - rank 1/1

Retribution Talents - 11 point(s)

Benediction - rank 5/5
Improved Judgement - rank 2/2
Deflection - rank 3/5
Seal of Command - rank 1/1

This build i've designed gives you some nice SoC damage from Retribution, some pretty stuff from Protection including BoK and most of the healing talents from holy. When you level to 70 you can specialize more in the tree

P.S. Maybe a stupid question, but how do you like a talents page?

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