Woohooo. Great change Blizz <3

I can't raid due to working odd hours. I get 4-5 hours per day to play. My gear is maxed out for what I can do atm. I get the opportunity to take my gear a bit further now.

Thanks Blizz

<3

Edit: Btw, what happens to any Emblems of Heroism or Valor that we have? Are they converted or are they disposed of?

if this chance goes true that blizzard is insane.
why the hell would ppl still go ulduar when you can get the same gear from just farming heroics?

this is the most ridiculous chance ive ever seen and fear that this will be the end of raiding in wow.
why would ppl still bother to raid if you can get the items for doing nothing at all. why would you waste many hours in raids wiping when some keyboard turner scrub can get the same gear from farming heroics?

this is a slap in the face to every serious raider

blizzard can you please explain whats the point of raiding when you get similair gear from heroics?

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if this chance goes true that blizzard is insane.
why the hell would ppl still go ulduar when you can get the same gear from just farming heroics?

this is the most ridiculous chance ive ever seen and fear that this will be the end of raiding in wow.
why would ppl still bother to raid if you can get the items for doing nothing at all. why would you waste many hours in raids wiping when some keyboard turner scrub can get the same gear from farming heroics?

this is a slap in the face to every serious raider

blizzard can you please explain whats the point of raiding when you get similair gear from heroics?

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Shush scrub, being able to get 2 pieces of tier 8 and 3 offset items is no reason to stop raiding ulduar.. theres still a LOT of other items you'll be missing out on, and the basis of introducing this is so that people can get into ulduar to begin with.
this will NOT be the end of raiding in wow, if you think it will be, you clearly didnt play during SWP.

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The existing achievements to collect 1, 25, 50, etc. Emblems of Heroism, Valor, and Conquest will be converted to feats of strength since Heroism and Valor will no longer be available when the patch launches.

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Iam interested to see a more specific description of this.

Do we talk 1000 of each to get this feat of strenght?

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Shush scrub, being able to get 2 pieces of tier 8 and 3 offset items is no reason to stop raiding ulduar.. theres still a LOT of other items you'll be missing out on, and the basis of introducing this is so that people can get into ulduar to begin with.
this will NOT be the end of raiding in wow, if you think it will be, you clearly didnt play during SWP.

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k lets see there are 17 slots in total on a character.

5 bis slots from farming heroics.
2 bis slots from farming emalon.

so you could get 7/17 bis items from playing 1 hour each day. bravo blizzard you really done it this time. you outdone yourself this will be the worst patch since closed beta.

So, why exactly did you introduce new tier of badges with Ulduar, claiming you're sticking to your new tiered model, and 2 months later you basically say you're (removing... bah forums censors) it? I don't really care about the change, easier recruiting for us, but your inconsistency is amazing.

man this is just like the good old TBC days with the need to fram HCs everyday to get the best ingame gear (well the need to do dailiy HC and normal quest) and i remember a blue saying they didn't want that any more. this is just a bad move/lazy move by blizzard sens ppl who doesn't raid doesn't need raid gear and the ppl who want to raid will allways farm upp there gear fast.

the best way whoude have been a new raid so ppl who want to raid but is not upp to par with raiders will get 1 more raid to farm for a bigger chans to get gear and ppl who doesn't really raid that much get a new choes naxx or the raid dugeon

as i qoute from a random dude on the forum "effort and reward is not balenced atm with this changes"

the only thing i can think of that whoude justify this change is that there not going the change it once icecrown comes out and then we have 3 tiers of emblems, 2 of them normal ppl will be abel to get

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k lets see there are 17 slots in total on a character.

5 bis slots from farming heroics.
2 bis slots from farming emalon.

so you could get 7/17 bis items from playing 1 hour each day. bravo blizzard you really done it this time. you outdone yourself this will be the worst patch since closed beta.

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so spending 1 hour each day farming heroics you'll get 1 .. POSSIBLY 2 heroics done max a day.. thats about 9 badges or so.. using that logic to get all of the bis items, you'd need about 26/27 days to get 7 items .. yeahh have fun with that.
Shut up you pessimistic twat anyway , like its meant to be, this is meant to be a stepping stone to get less geared members/new recruits into ulduar, theres still 10 slots(also more depending on class as im sure that all the badge loot is definately not BiS for all classes/specs) to fill up from ulduar, so theres still something to raid for, stop flexxing your e-peen and suck it up.. if you raid, this really wont make the slightest bit of difference to you at all, hell if you actually cared you'd welcome it and farm some heroics when its out to get yourself prepared for the new "heroic" mode raids.

I love being forced to do the daily dungeon every day from now on. (yes, all players in decent guilds will start doing that...). Especially since it is a very challenging content.
Thank you very very much....

But my concern is about "Additional instances can not be launched" and lag in instances. Are you planning to address this before the patch? If not, at what times do you think dungeons will be playable (aka not lagging and you will be able to enter them? )

Thanks..... NOT

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k lets see there are 17 slots in total on a character.

5 bis slots from farming heroics.
2 bis slots from farming emalon.

so you could get 7/17 bis items from playing 1 hour each day. bravo blizzard you really done it this time. you outdone yourself this will be the worst patch since closed beta.

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Why do people have to over dramatise?

Do you have any idea how long it would take to get all that gear if you only played one hour per day?

We would be well into the next expansion by the time someone gathered that gear.

Stop talking crap.

Ok, as someone comparatively new to the game, compared to most, even I find this quite strange. I've been running heroics and 10 mans a lot recently and been pushing my way into 25man's (I haven't got around to doing EoE yet because I'm just lazy :p) and to me, this is a verrrrry strange change.

At the moment, the gear progression is clear; normal instances, heroics, 10mans, 25mans, ulduar 10, ulduar 25. Where as after the patch it'll be; normal instances, anything, ulduar, Argent stuff. I don't really understand why they felt *that* much of a need to bring conquest emblems to the most basic raids... Now instead of people who've got t7/t7.5 trying to work their way into Ulduar, you'll have people in half blue/green, quarter t8, quarter t7.5... who have no experience of 25mans or the like...

I basically think the step was unnecessary, I would've understood if the odd 25man boss dropped a conquest emblem instead of valor; like Emalon, but for a whole sweep of the Heroic emblems is kind of silly and really undervaluing the gear that people doing Ulduar have worked to earn.

This is just my opinion though, perhaps it will be better that anyone who can participate in a 10man raid will get t8 and pieces that obliterate 90% of other gear within a week or two tops... I guess we'll have to wait and see.

I never really cared about changes that make the game 'too easy' for the oldschoolers or whatever. But this time i'm pretty disapointed aswel. In BC i was full badge gear so there was no reason for me to do tier 5 anymore, could be skipped entirely. And in WOTLK i noticed the different kinds of emblems and i was happy. So why make the game a heroic grind again? I don't get it? I barely have time to play but i'd rather make my way through all the raids over 1 year, than doing all the same heroics over and over again :(

Blizzard, why?

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Ok, as someone comparatively new to the game, compared to most, even I find this quite strange. I've been running heroics and 10 mans a lot recently and been pushing my way into 25man's (I haven't got around to doing EoE yet because I'm just lazy :p) and to me, this is a verrrrry strange change.

At the moment, the gear progression is clear; normal instances, heroics, 10mans, 25mans, ulduar 10, ulduar 25. Where as after the patch it'll be; normal instances, anything, ulduar, Argent stuff. I don't really understand why they felt *that* much of a need to bring conquest emblems to the most basic raids... Now instead of people who've got t7/t7.5 trying to work their way into Ulduar, you'll have people in half blue/green, quarter t8, quarter t7.5... who have no experience of 25mans or the like...

I basically think the step was unnecessary, I would've understood if the odd 25man boss dropped a conquest emblem instead of valor; like Emalon, but for a whole sweep of the Heroic emblems is kind of silly and really undervaluing the gear that people doing Ulduar have worked to earn.

This is just my opinion though, perhaps it will be better that anyone who can participate in a 10man raid will get t8 and pieces that obliterate 90% of other gear within a week or two tops... I guess we'll have to wait and see.

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Guild trial period ftw.

Or do you just take anybody in your guild without a trial?

If they can compete with dps, hps and tps, do the tactic and not suck, where is the problem?

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I never really cared about changes that make the game 'too easy' for the oldschoolers or whatever. But this time i'm pretty disapointed aswel. In BC i was full badge gear so there was no reason for me to do tier 5 anymore, could be skipped entirely. And in WOTLK i noticed the different kinds of emblems and i was happy. So why make the game a heroic grind again? I don't get it? I barely have time to play but i'd rather make my way through all the raids over 1 year, than doing all the same heroics over and over again :(

Blizzard, why?

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Hmm... but I also need to see the positive effects of the change. This way it will be easier to find groups for heroics because the higher geared players still want to do them...

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if this chance goes true that blizzard is insane.
why the hell would ppl still go ulduar when you can get the same gear from just farming heroics?

this is the most ridiculous chance ive ever seen and fear that this will be the end of raiding in wow.
why would ppl still bother to raid if you can get the items for doing nothing at all. why would you waste many hours in raids wiping when some keyboard turner scrub can get the same gear from farming heroics?

this is a slap in the face to every serious raider

blizzard can you please explain whats the point of raiding when you get similair gear from heroics?

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Yeah, because in BC absolutely nobody was running Black Temple or Sunwell. Why would you since you can get all the gear for badges, right?

It's much less harder to QQ about something when you've already been shown to be wrong, isn't it?

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Hmm... but I also need to see the positive effects of the change. This way it will be easier to find groups for heroics because the higher geared players still want to do them...

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And you think those players are gonna go with randoms? HAHAH. N1.

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And you think those players are gonna go with randoms? HAHAH. N1.

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On my server many high geared players run heroic pugs, but as I said i'm just trying to find a reason why blizzard may be doing this. HAHAH. U R KEWL!!111

Besides there's also the fact that you are rewarded for helping low geared guildmembers in heroics.
But before you go HAHAH N1 on me again, i'm still not a fan of this change.

If you seriously, honestly want to go ahead with that, at least remove the bloody Triumph emblems from 5-man dailies. Put Conquest there instead if you really have to. It will still be disastrous change, showing that you once more caved in to complains of terrible players instead of sticking to your guns - but at least it won't annihilate the progression path completely, forcing even those people that beat the current content completely to go back to heroic farming.

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I don't really care about the change, easier recruiting for us,

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Not really...since every raiding guild will now get apps from terribads with 4x T8 and 0x raid experience. (save for naxx and voa which don't really count).