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Calm and Constructive - Here it comes:

1 - The 2v2 change is a nerf to all casual arena goers. In a game where you're opening all content to casual players (Emblem Changes and PvE Raid Nerfs), you're pretty much telling people to do 3v3 or quit. Personally, I'd rather do 2v2 in the current conditions than be forced into equally overpowered comps like Cleave and RMP in 3v3

2 - There will be no point doing 2v2 for arena points.

3 - The only reason people will farm for high ratings is to gain Gladiator rank. The high ratings will still be dominated by the "Overpowered" combos like Druid/DK and effectively the 2v2 Gladiator Rank becomes a joke. (if it isn't already?)

4 - On this basis of point #3, the Gladiator rank should be removed from the 2v2 bracket. Why on earth would you allow people to get the rank but not allow them to obtain the gear? Make Duelist or Rival the top rank for 2v2 bracket.

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Yes it is completely illogical to leave 2v2 as a "gladiator" bracket when the ones playing only 2v2 have very little chance at gladiator without any of the newest gear.

Please - just adjust the 2v2 bracket slightly, and avoid killing it completely.

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1: 3v3 is dominated by fotm's even more as 2's. Rmp or cleaves all the way

2: The resi-change will make alot more players use pvp gear

3: Im moonkin, bit of a underpowered spec if you ask me. And 2's is the bracket where my chance of getting rating is the highest.

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ello lucjuh <3

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Explain to me the difference between this and BG PvPers then that have been living like this (gamewise) for the past 1 and the ongoing season yet you DONT want them to be plausible to play as they should (for the same reasons you are saying its bad for 2 v 2 now).

Hypocricy and irony at its finest from most of the posters arround here. Where were you when BGs where being destroyed in the same manner? Oh wait "if you want the best gear you should work for it". Well i 'll be damned this reminds of the -current- situation.

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BG's aren't on the same level of competition.

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Dont try to turn it arround to me now. Almost every single post i have read so far is calling upon the word "fun" in their 2 v 2 argument. If "fun" is indeed what they care about then they will STILL continue playing it as always. That means you will have nothing to fear about.

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Imagine arenas as a board game...it's always the goal to win,if winning a game doesn't matter,the game isn't fun,it just lost the whole point!

We're not in a fairy tale world,everyone likes to win,and everyone likes when their win actually counts toward something.

I began playing arena with my friend this season. We aren't the best PvPers in the world (~1500 rating as ret/resto) but we are gradually improving.

This improvement is exactly what's enjoyable in arena. Climbing that 50 rating at a time, gaining access to a new piece of gear, staring at that weapon waiting at 1850. Seems so far away but maybe, maybe someday we'll get there.

If you remove the rewards from doing 2v2, you also remove anything to look forward to in that bracket. Gear isn't everything, but it sure is a damn good incentive to keep improving.

Leave 2v2 the way it was please. It's the only bracket i enjoy playing and i do not want to be forced to play RMP for items.If this change does go live i'm canceling my gametime for sure.

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dont lisent to whiners. 99% of them is either clueless morons or playing FOTM setup.

anyway, this is a good change for many reasons

1: its the bracket domimated most by FOTM combos

2: its also the bracket where pve gear is way too dominant

3: its the bracket where underpowered class/specs have the least chance of ever getting rating

4: if it goes live we will maybe get rid of the druid/DK who get t2 weapon from 2s and go like OMG WE R TEH SKILLZ

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I think this is true, almost everybody whining about arena/pvp balance refers to 2vs2, and that is the most unbalanced bracket, there will always be fotm there and impossible to balance, and tbh 3vs3 is not hard to set up since you can play so many different kind of setups.

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If you remove the rewards from doing 2v2, you also remove anything to look forward to in that bracket. Gear isn't everything, but it sure is a damn good incentive to keep improving.

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Quoted for truth.
Exactly what loads of people pretend they're not understanding.

Well, I think this way of balancing 2v2 arena is a quite unhappy. For example I'm playing only 2v2 arenas now (I think a lot of people do so) and it's a bit discriminating when the other teams can get more powerful rewards than 2v2 teams. If you think the 2v2 are easier than the 3v3 or 5v5 just increase the amount of arena points needed for the new season's items for 2v2 arenas OR there can be a different team ratings for 2v2 and 3v3/5v5 as well. For example: A new season's item costs 2000 arena points. Now, it will cost 2000 AP for 3v3 and 5v5 teams but 2500 for 2v2 players OR for specific item there will be 2200 team rating requirements for 2v2 and 2000 for 3v3/5v5 etc . That sounds a bit fair instead of completely forbiding 2v2 players to get a new items. It will kill this type of arena and it's pity because a lot of people enjoy playing this type of arena or they're playing the only 2v2 for some reason (higher real-life requirements or so :). So please, try to find a different way how to balance arenas but don't completely forbid a new items to 2v2 teams.

Peace.

Nynth

2v2 is an easy-mode (setups win most of the fights) ladder so it's a good change. Would be nice to put more emphasis on the other two brackets, especially 3v3.

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ello lucjuh <3

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Hey ^^

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2v2 is an easy-mode (setups win most of the fights) ladder so it's a good change. Would be nice to put more emphasis on the other two brackets, especially 3v3.

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lol ur clueless

I would like an official blizzard statement giving the reasoning behind the change.

I don't know if I like the change or not, still undecided.

The best thing about 2v2 is because its quick to setup and doesnt rely on anymore than 2 people being online in your team.

What I am against is the fact that only certain comps can suceed in 2s. There is so much balance issues involved with 2s.

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BG's aren't on the same level of competition.

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Thats through the choice of Blizzards design, not because its a fact. If Blizzard wanted they COULD make the BGs a VERY competitive place to be like it used to be Premade VS premade in the old days.

And please dont even talk about 2 v 2 and competition in the same sentence.

2x2 is the most interesting.
3x3 is loooong and boooring
5x5 is funny but to make normal rating ALL 5 players must have EXELLENT skill...
Don`t change 2x2 please,now all is exellent but in 3.2 it`s gona be awful...

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Same here.

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Me Too 2v2 is the only reason i play this game


And battlegrounds to gear for 2v2

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2v2 is an easy-mode (setups win most of the fights) ladder so it's a good change. Would be nice to put more emphasis on the other two brackets, especially 3v3.

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Because 3's isnt dominated by certain set ups am i right?

All i see happening is RMP/cleave teams getting gear from 3v3 then camping the 2v2 bracket for titles, GG Blizz.