bad =/

Seriously though? it is bad for me.

I enjoy 2v2 hugely but part of this enjoyment comes from the success and us working to inprove my team. also i have played with the same guy in 2v2 for the last 2-4 years (since tbc release) and yes my MMR is low but try playing a shaman in 15k hp...

IMO i totally understand why you as blizzard made this change but that doesnt mean i agree with it. Getting a functioning 3v3 where all your team is on the same skill lvl is not easy at all, let alone then improving it. Also i find 2v2 to be a very clean bracket to play and games can be changed effectively just by yourself. This is why most pvp videos are shown from 2v2

Also i dont believe 3v3 is more balanced than 2v2. there is still 4 classes there largely underrepresented compared to others just like in 2v2. Lets look at setups? well RMP is totally dominating and cleave isnt far behind.

Also youd think mages are balancedi n 3v3 due to their near 10% representation high up, but they are not, all these mages are in RMP, so (since 5v5 is dead) your are on the brink of forcing mages to play one setup

5v5 is horrible, far to much burts its just daft.

Also since my main is a lock i believe you are forcing me into specs i dont enjoy. Affliction is useless in 3v3 and hardly OP in 2v2. However now 2v2 is useless to pvp as affliction ill be forced to pvp first as destruction... not to mention that would require 3 specs (i have one pve and one pvp spec).

So i hope you see for me this is virtually destroying pvp on my lock. I have been affliction since day one and have never not been it (didnt even go SL/SL) and so this is devastating

As a raider I do not like the change as I do 2v2 after raids or on occasional offnights, getting a 3v3 together with other people I know, who are all raiders is not an easy task.

There is also the problem of 3v3 being dominated by RPM and cleave. Where does this leave the others?

I've tried to be as constructive and positive throughout the topics here while expressing my disagreement with the changes.To avoid repeating myself again...

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2v2 is by far the most populated bracket for some reasons like:
-easier to organize(more casual friendly)
-easier to keep track of whats going on
-you feel you have a greater impact in the outcome
and much more

On the other hand 2v2 suffers from balancing issues that cannot be resolved as it seems.

What will blizzard achieve with this change?
-There is no doubt that people that play 2v2 will drastically decrease and people who play ONLY 2v2 for various reasons will suffer the following:
1)Gear disadvantage
2)Less teams is less fun
3)Lack of MOTIVATION<--biggest issue
NEGATIVE

-The QQ from 2v2 will stop but it will transfer to 3v3/5v5
NEGATIVE

-Some people that enjoy mostly this aspect of the game(2v2)
NEGATIVE

-Forcing people that enjoy something into something else is bad game design
NEGATIVE

-They can offer us more balanced 3v3 and 5v5
POSITIVE

-Titles and gear will be "ideally" accesible to all classes
POSITIVE

I cant speak for everybody but it seems like many players dont support this change(forums,in-game) and really i haven't heard much complains about the gear be easier to attain for some classes in 2v2.Sure its not completelly fair,but should they massacre 2v2 for that? in my opinion NO

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Quoting Ozborne from Genjuros

Tbh 2's are the main reason I'm still playing this game. =/

Personally, I didnt play arena since half a year, now.
I use to be one of the few people, who prefer 5v5 over the other brackets, so I welcome this change (and also the resilience-change) to hopefully get some life back into 5s, which will also make me playing arena, again.

Terrible, completely unnecessary change.

Many players enjoy doing 2v2 with a friend and have trouble committing to the larger brackets due to time constraints.

One of the best paladins on my battlegroup (a bad battlegroup I know, merge please) plays almost exclusively 2v2 since he doesn't have much spare time and has trouble finding 3v3 and 5v5 teams that are willing to play when he is available. He fully deserves the best gear available, it's not his fault that the 2v2 bracket is badly balanced.

I've never been a huge fan of 2v2 so this probably won't affect me at all, but I'm sure a lot of players really enjoy the bracket and I don't see any reason why they don't deserve equal gear.

no one wants to play with feral druid which is bad in arena even in 2v2 bracket, in 3v3 i just get trained - together with wsg change you took ALL what i liked in wow. i wrote already that i canceled my subscription and will not renew if this change will go live.

These changes are both bad and poorly thought of. Please, do not go through with them. I will not threaten to quit, as I'll simply play Aion on a beside and I know it, but you WILL frustrate a lot of paying customers who genuinely made 2v2 arena their way of life.

Blizzard you need to start listening to your customers and actually do some things that we ask for, i know some of the ideas are extreme and wont get implented but this patch is by far one of the worst ever ive seen.

You do realise your handing over tons of money over to other games with this patch, loads of people will quit, some will not. But the fact is wotlk has been complete fail...nothing about it has been good.

TBC was good , there was a sense of balance, you could tell if somebody was good rather than getting 1 shot by any random person.

Your death knights from the start of S5 have been complained about and so was holy paladins, yet you let them lol about whole of s5 but you hotfix arcane mages, mutilate rogues and destro warlocks within days or destro was nurfed within like 14 hours.

Your sending nerfs and buffs to the wrong places, changes to the game in the wrong places, you need to sort it out now or this game will shortly die out and im sure as a company who have had years of success with the warcraft games, you dont want that to happen

Put PvP back to TBC in some way and then mabye, we will have somthing to be happy about

Remove the 2v2 changes

Leave the battlegrounds alone

Me personally will not quit, but alot of my good friends will do, and im sick of friends of mine quitting because you cant do the right things.

My view on things, flame me pff

Completely unnecessary change.

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Q u o t e:
Tbh 2's are the main reason I'm still playing this game. =/

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You're not alone :)

Playing with a friend in 2s was the only reason I resubbed a while ago. Thanks for making me regret it already and bye.

For Laurana due to the other topic being locked.

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Q u o t e:

your post did not contain valid arguments. what is there to elaborate?
if you want a serious discussion then here are my cards:
2v2 is being played much much more than 3v3 or 5v5 (lol). this can not be based solely on the fact that a 2v2 team is the most easy to organize. it seems much more that most players enjoy 2v2 more than 3v3 and 5v5. they usually justify this by saying that 3v3 and 5v5 is less fun because it is either rmp or zerg cleave teams that are successful and at the same time boring to play against.

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Those who play BGs are more than those who play arenas as well yet they are not rewarded even half of what arena players are rewarded. I conclude that most people are having more fun than the arena into the BGs as well because its "easier" and more "fun" to play. Werent you one of the people that advocated that in order for someone to get good gear he must fist "work" for it?

Well, i will say the same now. If you want the "good" gear then you need to properly play the game even if you dont like it, the same answer you have been giving BG PvPers everywhere (and i am not talking about you personaly here obviously).

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Q u o t e:

you cannot argument that the players who enjoy 2v2 can keep playing it for fun since most players (like me) do not have the time to concentrate on more than one bracket at a time and playing 2s in spite of getting no rewards is ridiculous, if only because you will get stomped by players who DO have the rewards from 3s.

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The same goes for BG PvPers yet somehow for most -arena players- they are a "different" situation. What exactly is so different about them? I always wondered, why should 2 v 2 be a plausible means to get the best gear available. It obviously favours (and has favoured) certain comps and classes in a much greater fashion than 3 v 3 did. Not only that but due to its existence Blizzard could never actuall balance tottaly arround 3 v 3 without destroying the already derelict 2 v 2 bracket but it was "considered" non the less in their balancing actions.

Now, there is nothing to hold them back and its for the better.

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also, balancing 3v3 is NOT easier than balancing 2v2. in 3s, you have many more synergy issues like CC on different DRs (hello PMR) or excessive on demand burst, making some comps virtually unbeatable to many other comps.

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I aknowledge that it is indeed harder to balance but you have NOTHING to hold you back any longer. You dont need to think what possible "sideeffect" will have in 2 v 2. 2 v 2 now is done and done with (assuming the change goes through). The damage is also far too much but i am confident that it will be fixed in due time.

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bottom line: all that blizz will achieve with this change is pissing off a lot of passionate pvp players who mostly enjoy 2v2.

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Same as every BG PvPer was pissed when he was forcefully shoved into the arena for a good set of gear and weapons. It will pass. Vent now that you are hot in the head.

Why? SImple as that

Bad, we are going from about 25% DK/druid, 25% Warr/healer, 15% Rogue/priest, 35% misc combo, to 60% RMP 30% Cleave 10% Misc combos.... Real balanced.

3v3 is completely biased towards RMP and to some extent, cleave teams, at least in 2v2 we got some OP combos but we get more variety. So unless you nerf RMP, with shares diminish returns on sheep,fear, sap and blind, we are only going to see mostly rogues, priest and mages in high end PvP gear.

I think it is a horrible change and will cost WoW a lot of players. Many people play 2v2 because the other two brackets are much more difficult to organise.. I play 3's with 2 good friends and even we only manage to play once or twice a week because most of the time we are not all online at the same time or have to raid etc, so that leaves us little time for playing arena together.

Whereas with 2v2 it only depends on 2 people so it is much easier to play it more.

Anothe issue is balance... RMP is by FAR the most dominant setup in 3v3 and has been for seasons upon seasons now, and I doubt there is a way to nerf it without making each one of the 3 classes that compose it completely useless individually or while playing with anything else. Whereas the fotm's of 2v2 change every season, and even if you are not fotm it is easier to get ratings from 2's than it is from 3's because you get to play it more and there isn't as much zerg in it as there is in the other two brackets.

That brings me to my next point... the burst damage. Most of the serious arena players I know HATE 3v3 and 5v5 because it is nothing more than a zerg fest where no matter how skilled you are you can die in 2 seconds (Hydra dying in a couple of sec in the latest MLG in 3v3 is a good example of that). 5v5 is even worse...

Plus very few people can even play 5v5 consistently simply because of how difficult it is to organise.

Overall I would reccomend that you simply greatly reduce the arena points gained from 2v2 compared to the other brackets but let people earn gear from playing 2v2, because as it is now you will just lose many many many players.