I searched though the forum and think we're lacking this kind of post to discuss and give solid build for new rogues for their talents.

I'll just copy what i write in my guild rogue section to here and start to edit/comment them one by one.

In addition, i'm not pro rogue but i have at least a lot of experience as TBC rogue. Positive comments, and more alternative builds are welcome. Particularly dagger build since i dont have that much experience over there.

Lving Progress:
Spend couple points in Imp Sinister strike first, then fill up assasination tree for Malice, Ruthlessness, Relentless strike. After that leave lethality in meanwhile and fill combat tree all way down, At 60 your talent should look like this, (You can go all way combat first if you want but for me i think addition crit and combo points from assassination tree help)
http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/basics/talents/rogue/talents.html?0053201054000000000000233051020050150023210510000000000000000000000#none
Then at 70 you have several possibility listing below,

Pure PvE (Focus mainly and purely on DPS)
Main Talent (that cant miss):
DW spec, Combat Potency, Imp SnD, Sword Spec, Malice, Relentless Strike,Ruthlessness,Imp Sprint
Combat Sword (Best for PvE)
http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/basics/talents/rogue/talents.html?0053201054000000000000233051020050150023210510000000000000000000000
Combat Mace
http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/basics/talents/rogue/talents.html?0053201054000000000000233052021055100003210510000000000000000000000
Combat Fist
http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/basics/talents/rogue/talents.html?0053201054000000000000233051020050105023210510000000000000000000000
Combat Dagger
http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/basics/talents/rogue/talents.html?0052031040000000000000053052022550100020210510500000000000000000000
**These combat builds using SnD/Rupture/Envinom routine, ignore Eviscerate. If you are in Karazhan lv, and feel that Eviscerate is needed, then change Vile Poison to Imp Eviscerate.
Mutilate
http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/basics/talents/rogue/talents.html?0053201055001325210510053050020050000000000000000000000000000000000
Raid Hemo with Sword
http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/basics/talents/rogue/talents.html?0053201000000000000000053050020050150020000000520531010301010000000
Raid Hemo with Mace
http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/basics/talents/rogue/talents.html?0053201000000000000000053050020050100000000000510531021301210400000

PvP (Focus purely on PvP, arena-like)
Main Talent (that cant be miss):
DW spec, Imp Sprint, Adrenaline Rush, Mace Spec, Malice, Imp Kick
Popular Double AR Combat Mace Hemo
http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/basics/talents/rogue/talents.html?3050000000000000000003210052021055100003010005002431002301010000000
Prep AR Combat Mace No Hemo
http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/basics/talents/rogue/talents.html?3051000000000000000003210052020055100103010005002431002301000000000
Prep AR Combat Mace Hemo with Deadliness 0/31/30
http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/basics/talents/rogue/talents.html?0000000000000000000003210052021055100003010005002431012301210500000
Combat Mace with Riposte and 2 MoD
http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/basics/talents/rogue/talents.html?3053201020000000000003200550122055100003012512000000000000000000000
Mutilate 2.3 Fleet Foot
http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/basics/talents/rogue/talents.html?3053201050121325110513021052020050000000000000000000000000000000000
BG Ganging with Subtle and Shadowstep!
http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/basics/talents/rogue/talents.html?3053031050000000000000000000000000000000000005502431300001200501351

Grinding (Focus sololy on grinding normal mobs)
Combat Sword w Riposte
http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/basics/talents/rogue/talents.html?3153201050000000000000240550100050150023110510000000000000000000000

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Nice work. Stickie :D

great Topic helped me alot

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Thanks guy. Hope to get more input/comment soon for the sake of complete version of the guide.

The Hemo/Raid seems fishy, I'd suggest 11/21/29 (Relentless, Blade Flurry, no sword spec, 4/5 deadliness); or 11/28/22. [Not that i'd suggest raiding with hemo]

Queen of the Horde™

Ok edited & added raid hemo with sword and mace seperately. (Well i'm not suggest them either but some people tell me that it's viable for PvE)

thanks, just started a rogue and it's what I've been looking for :-).
I will go for the PVE sword talent:
http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/basics/talents/rogue/talents.html?3053201050000000000000233050022050150023210510000000000000000000000
just a small question, what should be the order of spending talents in this build by your experience?

Didnt look at the pve builds (cause i dont do pve) but in the pvp builds you value setup too much imo. I dont know many who would spend points in that before talents like elusiveness.
Also your mutilate build is kinda strange. I assume the points in imp. backstab are for poison immune mobs. That build wont do in pvp, so I suggest you make another mutilate build for it.
Oh, and saw one pure pvp combat build without imp. kick. Wouldnt recommend that one :/

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Q u o t e:
Didnt look at the pve builds (cause i dont do pve) but in the pvp builds you value setup too much imo. I dont know many who would spend points in that before talents like elusiveness.
Also your mutilate build is kinda strange. I assume the points in imp. backstab are for poison immune mobs. That build wont do in pvp, so I suggest you make another mutilate build for it.
Oh, and saw one pure pvp combat build without imp. kick. Wouldnt recommend that one :/

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Fixed Multiate pve/pvp one.
Well, for me if u have preperation you wont need elusiveness that much. Setup help a lot really.
Agreed with you on imp kick one, fixed.

To the combat sword build order,
I will go combat first all way then go assasination tree later.

btw, its mutilate, not multiate.

Your Combat daggers pve build is a bit off, its generally accepted that 2/3 Ruth. and 4/5 lethality is the way to go. Murder is less important really.

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Q u o t e:
To the combat sword build order,
I will go combat first all way then go assasination tree later.

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Q u o t e:
Your Combat daggers pve build is a bit off, its generally accepted that 2/3 Ruth. and 4/5 lethality is the way to go. Murder is less important really.

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This person is correct, change the Combat Dagger build.

For any pure PvE sword/fist/mace build, you want to change the build somewhat.

2/2 Improved Kick -> 1/2 Endurance and 1/2 Vile Poisons is a must in my opinion. Endurance is priceless on trash and fights like Magtheridon where sprint and evasion are very useful, not to mention a faster root-breaking sprint on Vashj and suchlike.

3/3 Improved Eviscerate -> 3/5 Vile Poisons is a definite for sure. Eviscerate is very very rarely used in raids, my class leader has all of the eviscerate talents and the 2 piece tier 5 and his rupture does more than his eviscerate by miles against Solarian, who has a tiny amount of armour! Vile poisons helps your offhand deadly poison ticks.

I would run something like this:

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=f0ebovZMIVobVzxMGot



Extra Edit: For leveling purposes I would strongly recommend getting 11/22/0 first: The opening assassination talents and specifically 2/2 remorseless attacks and the 11pter are incredible strong, and weapon expertise isn't very useful when you change your weapons very regularly. Aggression and AR are nice but not huge, and combat potency is a looong way off. For leveling the combat tree is all about precision, dual wield spec, blade flurry and riposte.

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=fGx0oZMhEz0Vz

Well i agreed that eviscerate rarely used in raid, so the change seem valid.
-Changed all PvE raid sword/combat/fist
-Changed combat dagger build

But for PvP/PvE imp eviscerate and Imp kick remain the same since it's very useful in Arena.

Thanks for the input!

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