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  • The Maelstrom
  • 0. Some hunter concerns answered by GC   10/05/2009 15:23:21 PDT
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Thought I'd link this here, so those who don't regularly check MMO champ or US forums would get a little info.

Main points:

GC:

Q u o t e:
"Okay, here is just a slew of our current thoughts on the topic.

PvE

1) Hunter dps was just too high through much of Naxx. Ideally hunters should be competing with locks, rogues and mages and for a lot of the LK content they were just head and shoulders above the rest.

2) Currently, hunter dps might be a little low, but we're not 100% convinced yet. Some of the earlier fights in Ulduar are very melee friendly. XT is a rogue and cat's dream. We were pretty harsh to melee in Naxx with a lot of run-out moments and cleaves. Kologarn and other parts of Ulduar turn that on the ranged a little and require them to focus more on situational awareness. We think the later fights in Ulduar are a little more ranged-friendly, and we're waiting to get more parses from those. Plenty of guilds are on or have beaten Yogg by now, but the current data are pretty noisy since people are still learning the encounters.

3) We understand Vezax is a special case for hunters. By the same token, our goal is not to have every class do the same relative dps on every boss. Some fights are just better for some than others. Our goal isn't even to have "the shadow priest fight" or "the fury warrior fight." We just want diversity. We really wanted the Ulduar encounters to push players more towards "What can I do to improve my dps on this fight?" and less on "What is my dps?"

4) Survival may still be slightly higher than BM or MM. We don't think it's off by 1000 dps in most cases. It's something we want to keep looking at. We understand some Marks hunters say they'd be fine if it weren't for mana.

PvP

1) The TNT stuns and the uber mana drains were just too good last season. Sorry. Those aren't coming back.

2) Last season, burst spell damage was very high. That put a premium on active defenses, which ended up being a good niche for hunters. Last season there was almost no reason to bring a warrior; rogues and hunters brought the MS debuff in a stronger form as well as a host of additional utility. Warriors are back now, which means more competition for that spot.

3) This season has seen different classes rising to the top. Priests are rogues are good. Arms and Ret are good, depending on who you believe. We are nerfing or have nerfed some of those classes, which should open up the top playing-field a little. We are getting rid of Exorcism allowing paladins to two-shot pets. I'd agree that hunter representation is a little low at the moment, but we're not sure the class needs massive buffs so much as others need some nerfs.

4) Hunters are betters in 5s than 2s. It's really challenging to have every class or spec have the same representation in small teams as large, which is one of the reasons we offer multiple sizes. Recently the community seems to be focusing on 2s even more than 3s. We are taking some steps to make sure the larger brackets are as rewarding as the smaller ones. (I'm not saying it's a goal that some classes are only viable for some brackets. But it is nice that if you aren't as good for some brackets, you always have the others to fall back on.) "


MMO bluetracker (some additional comments): http://blue.mmo-champion.com/28/16904206957-hunter-balanceblizzards-opinion--attempt-2.html

Original thread on US forums: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16904206957&sid=1&pageNo=3#53


Update: Thread seems to be continuing with answers from GC.
Not room enough here, so posted on Page 4.

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Hunters are in no way, shape or form melee fighters. EVER. NO!

I see the light.... and it burns!!
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  • Hellscream
  • 1. Re: Some hunter concerns answered by GC   10/05/2009 16:03:50 PDT
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Q u o t e:
Thought I'd link this here, so those who don't regularly check MMO champ or US forums would get a little info.

Main points:

GC:

MMO bluetracker (some additional comments): http://blue.mmo-champion.com/28/16904206957-hunter-balanceblizzards-opinion--attempt-2.html

Original thread on US forums: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16904206957&sid=1&pageNo=3#53




Thanks for posting these comments.

I always dread reading GC inputs but these are informative and neither wacky nor just plain wrong.
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  • The Maelstrom
  • 2. Re: Some hunter concerns answered by GC   10/05/2009 16:06:15 PDT
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Q u o t e:


Thanks for posting these comments.

I always dread reading GC inputs but these are informative and neither wacky nor just plain wrong.


Aye. Some good answers. Just a shame there's no really good news or info about the Lock and Load change (wether it's a nerf, buff or just tooltip fix).

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Hunters are in no way, shape or form melee fighters. EVER. NO!

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  • Frostwhisper
  • 3. Re: Some hunter concerns answered by GC   10/05/2009 16:31:52 PDT
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He pretty much answered nothing...

Just hints at Survival nerfs... instead of buffing BM and MM.

Wonderful
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  • 4. Re: Some hunter concerns answered by GC   10/05/2009 16:41:11 PDT
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Q u o t e:
He pretty much answered nothing...

Just hints at Survival nerfs... instead of buffing BM and MM.

Wonderful



No. He is hinting at fixing MM mana issues. Nothing more. Stop trying to find reasons to whine about the hunter class.
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  • Shadowsong
  • 5. Re: Some hunter concerns answered by GC   10/05/2009 17:16:43 PDT
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Q u o t e:
He pretty much answered nothing...

Just hints at Survival nerfs... instead of buffing BM and MM.

Wonderful

History repeats it's self again, expansion gets ,out all is fine, few patches on and devs take axe hunters.
That i was wondering, what happend to my crits, before patch i used crit much more, now it is plain crap.
So, here is the ansver, our shot mechanics got nerfed, becausde "we did too much damage in Naxx".
As it is now, some times i don't crit at all and sometimes i crit 5-6 times in row.
Glad i lost interest play this game just bit before pach got rolled out, tired of this lottery.
Here is the official GC ansver, don't expect buffs, from now on every thing gets only worse.
Edit: As i'm MM, how the hell i should get mana regen from Rapid Recuperation if don't crit at all. Me wonders, with wich part of body blizzard devs thinking.

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  • 6. Re: Some hunter concerns answered by GC   10/05/2009 17:37:42 PDT
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Clueless.
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  • The Maelstrom
  • 7. Re: Some hunter concerns answered by GC   10/05/2009 17:50:19 PDT
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Q u o t e:
Clueless.


GC? The guy posting before you? Those whining? Alicia Silverstone?

Be specific!! :(

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Hunters are in no way, shape or form melee fighters. EVER. NO!

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  • 8. Re: Some hunter concerns answered by GC   10/05/2009 17:54:26 PDT
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The hunter posting above me and Alicia Silverstone. I think GC's remarks are very reasonable and not at all in tone with his previous ones, which were downright retarded at best.
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  • Magtheridon
  • 9. Re: Some hunter concerns answered by GC   10/05/2009 17:59:57 PDT
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Q u o t e:
The hunter posting above me and Alicia Silverstone. I think GC's remarks are very reasonable and not at all in tone with his previous ones, which were downright retarded at best.


Fresh out the oven.

Q u o t e:
You just push the button and get some damage.
-GC regarding why Steady Shot got nerfed by 50% of its scaling component.

Then just a few sentences down the road...

Q u o t e:
Having "white damage" (which this virtually is)...
White damage doesn't cost GCDs, GC is still clueless.

Moving right along.

3.1 patch notes:
* Fixed a bug where Hunters could do damage.
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  • Frostwhisper
  • 10. Re: Some hunter concerns answered by GC   10/05/2009 18:01:56 PDT
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The hunter posting above me and Alicia Silverstone. I think GC's remarks are very reasonable and not at all in tone with his previous ones, which were downright retarded at best.


When someone like Ghostcrawler says survival is higher than MM and BM and then says" it's something we want to keep looking at" it's probably not gunna end up a positive.

I'm actually hoping I'm wrong here
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  • 11. Re: Some hunter concerns answered by GC   10/05/2009 18:08:01 PDT
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When someone like Ghostcrawler says survival is higher than MM and BM and then says" it's something we want to keep looking at" it's probably not gunna end up a positive.

I'm actually hoping I'm wrong here



He also says they understand hunter damage might be a bit low. Lets not hop the whine bandwagon just yet.
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  • Shadowsong
  • 12. Re: Some hunter concerns answered by GC   10/05/2009 18:10:08 PDT
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Q u o t e:
Clueless.

Outch... That gotta hurt... Nah... I really don't care.
Let's see what you say, when in upcoming patches SV gets leveled with MM and BM. And that will be clearly L2P issue, i belive.
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  • 13. Re: Some hunter concerns answered by GC   10/05/2009 18:15:00 PDT
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Do you like being a Negative Nancy?
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  • Shadowsong
  • 14. Re: Some hunter concerns answered by GC   10/05/2009 18:17:48 PDT
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He also says they understand hunter damage might be a bit low. Lets not hop the whine bandwagon just yet.


....but we're not 100% convinced yet = no ETA
And you called me to clueless, look at mirror.
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  • 15. Re: Some hunter concerns answered by GC   10/05/2009 18:20:59 PDT
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....but we're not 100% convinced yet = no ETA
And you called me to clueless, look at mirror.



ETA: estimated time of arrival. Arrival of what?

Again, from his comments, the worst thing that i see happening is not getting any buffs. But then again, i can understand a simple sentence.
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  • Shadowsong
  • 16. Re: Some hunter concerns answered by GC   10/05/2009 18:23:25 PDT
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Q u o t e:
Do you like being a Negative Nancy?

Yes, because that happend already many times and it is going to happen over and over again. If you like belive and hope that blizzard is not going nerf hunter class, feel free.
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  • Lightbringer
  • 17. Re: Some hunter concerns answered by GC   10/05/2009 18:24:53 PDT
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as usual GC is being his arrogant self again beating around the bush and blantly lying to the hunter community.

before the patch i already had a rough time finding groups on my hunter and even in my old guild it was pretty much impossible to get groups going so pugging was my ONLY way of getting in HC.

but with the recent patch even pugs where out of the question , in about 2 weeks time i managed to get in 1 , that is ONE heroics group , and i even got kicked out of there because the GL was a moron.

made me decide to ditch my hunter and start leveling my paladin , and so far i have no regrets of doing that.

hell i have seen much more instances in about 3 weeks time on this char already then i have seen heroics on my hunter 2 weeks after wrath was launched so i guess that is saying something .

anyone who is still defending ghostcrawler really needs to learn and see HOW he writes and exactly WHAT he writes , if you learn that you'll figure out very fast that he thinks us players have no intellect and his arrogance in his postings shows it .

i would advise all hunters to reroll a different class and get it done with , keep playing hunter and hoping to get fixed is just prolonging the classes death.

if the dog is terminally ill have it put to sleep instead of trying to cure it hoping against all odds and making the beast suffer needless

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do NOT kick a gnome when he's down............... he's a much easier target standing up
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  • 18. Re: Some hunter concerns answered by GC   10/05/2009 18:26:39 PDT
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Q u o t e:
I'd agree that hunter representation is a little low at the moment, but we're not sure the class needs massive buffs so much as others need some nerfs.


Every single class has much better representation than us atm...so unless they blanket nerf everyone but hunters, that won't work.


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Hunters are betters in 5s than 2s


That may be true but it doesn't matter if there isn't actually any 5v5 happening on your server...
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  • 19. Re: Some hunter concerns answered by GC   10/05/2009 18:27:19 PDT
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i would advise all hunters to reroll a different class and get it done with , keep playing hunter and hoping to get fixed is just prolonging the classs death.





I'm sorry but as a mainly PvE hunter, i do not feel i am broken at all.
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