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Slorkuz

Blizzard Poster

0. Improving hunter dps through ranged weapons 19/05/2009 11:33:56 PDT

The developers believe hunter dps is too low, so today we are implementing a change to ranged weapon damage to improve dps across the board.

Bows, crossbows and guns of item level 226 or higher (which means weapons from Kel'Thuzad, Ulduar and the Furious Gladiator pieces) will do around 30 more dps. This should translate to a hunter damage increase of a few percent.

We don't think this will be quite sufficient in boosting hunter dps to where we think it needs to be and we have another buff that we plan to get in sometime over the next couple of weeks. We'll announce that change when it gets closer. (We have some plans for other classes as well, but we ask that you please keep this thread on the topic of hunters and the ranged weapon changes.)

As hunters may recall, we had an ambitious plan to change the way ammo worked for 3.1 that ended up being overly ambitious, causing us to scale back. However as part of that change, we stopped itemizing bullets and arrows. Since hunters could not upgrade from the ammo available at the launch of Lich King, their damage had started and would continue to fall behind as other classes upgraded their gear. This change basically incorporates the ammo damage into the weapons -- as you get better ranged weapons, it's as if you got better ammo to go along with them. This is likely to be a design we continue for the next few tiers of content until we have the opportunity to overhaul ammo completely.

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Modrak

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Stormrage

2. Re: Improving hunter dps through ranged weapo 19/05/2009 11:50:42 PDT

Thank you, Blizzard.

EDIT: Has fix been applied yet? Or will it be applied after tomorrow's maintenance?

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Kisla

< Inner Sanctum >

Silvermoon

3. Re: Improving hunter dps through ranged weapo 19/05/2009 12:05:59 PDT

Thats not enough and seems that you know it so will wait to see whats the other change, atleast you trying to solve it instead of "We arent 100% sure if hunter DPS is too low".

Akyno

< PvP >

Haomarush

4. Re: Improving hunter dps through ranged weapo 19/05/2009 12:26:02 PDT

Im happy with every Hunter buff they give us, or reverse the nerfs done! Luckely i have a KT weapon allready, cant wait to see the dps increase!!

Zag

Alleria

5. Re: Improving hunter dps through ranged weapo 19/05/2009 13:35:48 PDT

Buffing only 25 man and Arena hunters means 10 man hunters do already enough damage? This is ridiculous.

And i would like to add that as long as the GC will not be affected by haste this stat is almost useless. If the GC would be affected from haste this would actually solve a lot of scaling problems.

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Letherin

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The Venture Co

6. Re: Improving hunter dps through ranged weapo 19/05/2009 15:10:08 PDT

We do not need dps buff. Just give us our old survival skills back. Guys dont you understand ; Hunters fine with PvE, we are just broken on PvP. Wake up please..

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Aliefe

< Reflection of Perfec… >

Quel'Thalas

7. Re: Improving hunter dps through ranged weapo 19/05/2009 15:58:57 PDT

We are definitely behind in terms of dps and thats not being broken ofc, its being gimped. Still that needs to be addressed.

For PvP though, we are like 1 leg old pirates with a one shotter in hand. If you dont wait for the old pirate to shoot you in the middle of your face, you can kill him with a harsh wind blow of your sword... We need something radical, like auto shot on the run and camo to be able have fun in arenas.

Fax

< Synergie >

Quel'Thalas

9. Re: Improving hunter dps through ranged weapo 19/05/2009 21:51:09 PDT

I hope you address the hunter dps issue by re-evaluating current stats.

Haste only effects auto shot and steady shot.

Armor penetration only effects auto shot, steady shot, aimed shot and multi-shot.

Hunters are now treated like a hybrid dps. Only half of our dps is physical while the other half is magical, just like an enhancement shaman. But enhancement shamans have the choice between buffing their physical or magical damage and benefit either way.Hunters do not have that option.

Certain stats are forced upon us. Stats which enhances only some of our sources of damage.

I think it is too late to make any major modifications in hunter dps mechanisms, but at least I hope you will re-evaluate the stats you are forcing on hunters by making them more effective, especially in raids.

Soulja

< Aquila >

Hellscream

10. Re: Improving hunter dps through ranged weapo 19/05/2009 23:15:32 PDT

First page of epic post

But, Please let us track mechanical mobs as well as Improving the way ArP works for hunters

KitteH, No they Don't stop spamming.

EVER

Khimera

< Magica >

Stormreaver

11. Re: Improving hunter dps through ranged weapo 19/05/2009 23:33:14 PDT

Bows, crossbows and guns of item level 226 or higher???

why just Higher than 226? that's not a directed hunter buff, that's plain discrimination to us with bad luck on KT Gun ;P

Increese the dps on Ulduar 10 stuff aswell if so, you cant expect all hunters run around with KT Gun.
and how about increesing Arrowsong to item 226? not all want guns and KT are hardly any harder than patchwerk so why is that gun higher itemlvl? , we need the dps to progress in ulduar, and I want a choise of weapon not just, here take the gun you wont need bow or X-bow.

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Tixio

< Old and Grumpy >

Talnivarr

12. Re: Improving hunter dps through ranged weapo 20/05/2009 01:20:49 PDT

this is lame blizzard said that they wanted ppl to go 10-man guilds and play with those you like but then the "buff" only aplyes to thos who play 25-man.

this sux

Rapti

< No Regrets >

Genjuros

13. Re: Improving hunter dps through ranged weapo 20/05/2009 01:22:10 PDT

Q u o t e:
First page of epic post

But, Please let us track mechanical mobs as well as Improving the way ArP works for hunters

This. Mechanical tracking PLEASE! Or change the talent to simply increase the dmg without tracking (easiest fix).

Take your ideas with you and go boil yourself GC! ;-)

Serendita

< Divine Legacy >

Bronzebeard

14. Re: Improving hunter dps through ranged weapo 20/05/2009 01:23:36 PDT

So suddenly I'm at even more of a disadvantage to any other hunter in my guild that has the level 226 gun from KT as I only have Arrowsong (level 213). It already upset me that there was no equivalent level 226 bow in Naxx (I hate guns).

Great, thanks. :/

Survialist hunter - Divine Legacy, Bronzebeard EU

Khimera

< Magica >

Stormreaver

15. Re: Improving hunter dps through ranged weapo 20/05/2009 01:39:24 PDT

yea, sadly Blizzard hates people with Bows, Gun seems to be the only way to go.

Cuthalion

< AeoN >

Aerie Peak

16. Re: Improving hunter dps through ranged weapo 20/05/2009 02:19:49 PDT

I am very disappointed how this only helps 25 man raiding hunters and not 10 man raiding ones.
Please, make the ilvl >= 219 not 226!

Thank you very much,
Cuthalion

P.S. I know there is a weapon from hardmode XT002 available, but the 25man raiders getting even plain Naxx weapon buffed and 10man only 1 single hardmode weapon is a big discrepancy.

Burnash

< My GM Is A Girl >

Kazzak

17. Re: Improving hunter dps through ranged weapo 20/05/2009 02:29:50 PDT

I don't see why you only do it for 226 items...
That only benefits the ones who had the luck getting KT 25 gun, or Ulduar 25 weps.
Why not do it for all hunter weps ?
Or atleast naxx 25 and Ulduar 10 Rng weps....

Eventide

< Light and Doom >

18. Re: Improving hunter dps through ranged weapo 20/05/2009 02:44:46 PDT

Q u o t e:
P.S. I know there is a weapon from hardmode XT002 available, but the 25man raiders getting even plain Naxx weapon buffed and 10man only 1 single hardmode weapon is a big discrepancy.

In addition to that: there is no way, that a 10man group (with 10man gear only) will ever kill the boss in U10 hardmode.

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Brutall

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Doomhammer

19. Re: Improving hunter dps through ranged weapo 20/05/2009 03:07:11 PDT

Q u o t e:
yea, sadly Blizzard hates people with Bows, Gun seems to be the only way to go.

the ranged legendary is a bow and the highest ranged item is a x-bow that drops from algalon

so the way to go is x bows :) http://www.wowwiki.com/Skyforge_Crossbow

And i think blizz saw that hunters where falling further behind in a raid with alot of 226 plus items then 219 items there for they probibly draw the line at that item lvl on ranged weapons...
I know it seems a bit hars to the 10 man ulduar raiders but think of it as a step in the right direction.

also i think it effects the BM and MM slightly more then SV hunters witch is good to even the dps slightly between the diffrent speccs.

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