I have some problems with my shaman atm.
Before dual specc was introduced, i used to crit for around 7-8k with LB
Sometimes higher and sometimes lower but most crits around 7-8k.
Few weeks ago dual specc came out and now my dmg has gone down a lot.
Now when i go raiding my LB wil crit for 5-6k.
These are the numbers i see when LB crits : 5.6k, 5.4k, 6k, 5.7k, 6.8k and so on.
Only when al my trinkets procc and i get over 3k spellpower i crit for 8k with LB.

I was wondering if there more ele shamans that got this problem since dual specc came out.
I got pretty good gear and my talent build is also not bad.
I hope i am not the only one with this bug and hope blizz wil look into it and fix it.

Even an enhancement shaman was critting higher with LB then me in raids:(


I got around 2300+ spellpower with totem and flametongue weapon.
I am dual specced.
Glyphs: Flame shock, Lightning bolt(got this one after 3.1 patch), glyph of lava.

Lightning bolt(before 3.1) : 7-8k avarage
Lightning bolt(after 3.1) : 5-6k avarage

Lava burst (before) : 10-12k avarage
lava burst (after) : 8-10k avarage

okay Pve wise your miles over hit cap why do you have 360 hit? No cape enchant, mana enchant on chest???!!! a crit gem in your gloves whats that about?

okay you want more dps listen. lose all your jc gems and replace them with 32 spl power gems.

get haste on back
get +8 or +10 stats on chest
enchant gloves with spl power
belt 19 spl power gem
legs 2x 19 spl power gems

and that leaves you at 260 hit what just happens to be 0.09 below hit cap with a shadow priest/boomkin.
(same hit as me in pve gear)


PS if you can see my pvp gear feel free to help me out im more of a pve person just baught it all for fun.

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okay Pve wise your miles over hit cap why do you have 360 hit? No cape enchant, mana enchant on chest???!!! a crit gem in your gloves whats that about?

okay you want more dps listen. lose all your jc gems and replace them with 32 spl power gems.

get haste on back
get +8 or +10 stats on chest
enchant gloves with spl power
belt 19 spl power gem
legs 2x 19 spl power gems

and that leaves you at 260 hit what just happens to be 0.09 below hit cap with a shadow priest/boomkin.
(same hit as me in pve gear)


PS if you can see my pvp gear feel free to help me out im more of a pve person just baught it all for fun.

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Since when did this become a question about his gear?
He asked about Lavaburst since it did more damage pre-3.1

weird... i havn't noticed anything about Lava burst dmg.

YEAH I GOT 440 HIT RATING SUE ME PLIZ...

try do a ticket and ask a GM

soo its okay to moan about doing crap dps when you have no idea how to build your stats?
Oh my mistake carry on.

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okay Pve wise your miles over hit cap why do you have 360 hit? No cape enchant, mana enchant on chest???!!! a crit gem in your gloves whats that about?

okay you want more dps listen. lose all your jc gems and replace them with 32 spl power gems.

get haste on back
get +8 or +10 stats on chest
enchant gloves with spl power
belt 19 spl power gem
legs 2x 19 spl power gems

and that leaves you at 260 hit what just happens to be 0.09 below hit cap with a shadow priest/boomkin.
(same hit as me in pve gear)


PS if you can see my pvp gear feel free to help me out im more of a pve person just baught it all for fun.

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Your gems are not balanced, get the bonuses. orange-spell/hit or green-hit/stam to balance.

Loose earth's grasp and put into ancestral knowledge

All I can say is your rotation must be wrong. You have the spell, the haste and the crit.

My Lava burst hits for 8.1-14k (depending on target debuffs)
My lighting for 7-8K on crit else 3-4

hes not talking about his DPS overall, his rotation his gear... his gems...
HES ASKING WHY HIS DAMN SPELLS HIT FOR LESS AFTER 3.1.... READ.....
hes in the same gear as he was pre patch, and hes asking why now his spells do less...
no need to go on about crap he isnt talking about, sure u can help him with his gear but you never answered the blinking question HE ASKED.

in answer... it seems to be a bug with the duel spec side of things or something, there are quite alot of OMGELENERF/BUG posts about here somewhere if you looked =]

cheer @ crlaltdelet! :)

I thought it were just me doing somthing diffrent, or being whiny, but i did *alot* more dps before the dualspec patch. I understand what you mean. I used 2 be one of the better dps'ers in my guild, doing around 5.2k dps ++.. but now im having trouble doing more than ~4300dps

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okay Pve wise your miles over hit cap why do you have 360 hit? No cape enchant, mana enchant on chest???!!! a crit gem in your gloves whats that about?

okay you want more dps listen. lose all your jc gems and replace them with 32 spl power gems.

get haste on back
get +8 or +10 stats on chest
enchant gloves with spl power
belt 19 spl power gem
legs 2x 19 spl power gems

and that leaves you at 260 hit what just happens to be 0.09 below hit cap with a shadow priest/boomkin.
(same hit as me in pve gear)


PS if you can see my pvp gear feel free to help me out im more of a pve person just baught it all for fun.

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First of al i am not over the hit cap, atm we dont got an balance druid in the guild.
And the shadowpriest is also not always in raids.
When a shadowpriest is in raids i swithc to shield and dagger.
360 hitrating is 13.72% and i get 3% from talents and 1% from racial.

Second what the hell does gems gear enchants and stuff have to say about my max crits before 3.1 and after 3.1 with the same gear+enchants+gems.
Pls read before you start to say things.

I stil got to regem some things and change some enchants true, but that has nothing to do with the changes in my crits
I am wondering why my crits went down from 7-8k to 5-6k crits.

@ctrlalt thx for a normal answer:) yeah i already noticed many posts about dmg not beeing what its sopposed to be but most of them about lvb dmg.
And not everyone that got dual specc is having this problem.
I hope blizz wil find out whats wrong hehe.

Despondant, someone is asking about a dps neft cause of the patch.. and you start talking about his stas. Instead of slacking other people of to make yourself feel better.... just try to stay on topic or dont respond at all pls.

Many people are talking about a silent nerf when DS what introduced. Blizzard is investigating it but hasnt found anything yet.

On the US bug forum, there was a Boxing Shaman, we had over 25 elemental Shamans under his command (if u dont know what dual boxing is, look it up). He confirmed also that afther dual speccing half of his shamans, he noticed a decrease in both Lava burst (big drop) Lightning bolt (lesser drop).

It all pointed out the talent Shamanism wasnt working anymore.
The main problem is, nothing has been fixed/altered to this talent as far as Blizzard knows. And not all the shamans seem to have this problem. (thuogh a look at the US DPS forum, when u see there is allready an over 40 pages long post, may seem to point out it IS bugged)

Blizzard said to be looking at it, but so far nothign has been said or heard about it.

I found this post on mmochamp


Elemental Shaman Damage
Here are a few possibilities:


1) There is some bug related to dual-spec. We are fairly confident this is not a problem. It did have some bugs when 3.1 first launched, but we think we have caught them all. Therefore we think this issue is just a red herring complicating the rest of the discussion.
2) Elementals suffered a lot more from losing 5% crit from the Improved Scorch et al. change than did other casters. However, balance druids and some warlocks, also reasonably crit dependent, did not seem to drop.
3) Ulduar fights require a lot more movement, so Elementals can't cast as many spells. (I'm talking about direct damage spells here, not totems.)
4) There is some bug with Lava Burst or another spell that we cannot yet locate. We have looked at this a few times and everything seemed to be working correctly, but we can't completely eliminate this as a problem.

As I have said in the other, longer thread, we need to understand the cause of the problem before we go making any shotgun style changes that may or may not fix it. I will also point out that the Ulduar set for Elementals is a pretty decent upgrade. You should be in a better relative position with full Ulduar gear than you were with full Naxx gear.


I hope they wil find out soon what is causing this problem.

My dps is also lower sience 3.1

Here are just some few suggestions for a minor buff:

- Shamanism:
make it also effect Flame Shock:

Your Lightning Bolt spell gains an additional 10% and your Lava Burst and Flame shock gains an additional 20% of your bonus damage effects.


- Unrelenting Storm
Regenerate mana equal to 12% of your Intellect every 5 sec, even while casting.
add an additional effect:
and increase your haste rating by 5/10/15% of your intelect.


- Totem of Wrath
the totem is fine, just the problem is on aoe, its still not worth dropping an aoe totem because the raid looses dps. which will make the raid aoe dps lower.

change it to:

either make it to add the effect to each of your fire damaging totems,
or make it more like paladin auras auras.

In other news, Onyxias Deep Breath frequency has been increased once again.


Post some "before" and "after" WWS, or at least recount logs, then we have something to talk about.

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In other news, Onyxias Deep Breath frequency has been increased once again.


Post some "before" and "after" WWS, or at least recount logs, then we have something to talk about.

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give me a time machine and i will

I think people who think that lava burst has become lower damage, changed from
glyph of lava (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=41524)
to glyph of totem of wrath (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45776)

And ofcourse lavaburst is doing lower damage then.
Try to glyph back to glyph of lava and see if the numbers are from pre-patch.

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I think people who think that lava burst has become lower damage, changed from
glyph of lava (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=41524)
to glyph of totem of wrath (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45776)

And ofcourse lavaburst is doing lower damage then.
Try to glyph back to glyph of lava and see if the numbers are from pre-patch.

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But what if i have both ToW glyph and Lava burst glyph?

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But what if i have both ToW glyph and Lava burst glyph?

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Then you are an idiot for not having FlS or LB glyphs :P

People losing the 4-pc T7 and Glyph of Lava have both been put forward as reasons for the drop in damage. This is very likely to be at least part of the problem that is being reported. Losing both will knock 1k+ off top end LvB crits.

For those who wanted WWS/stats etc. there is now a testing thread on EJ, of target-dummy testing LvB in different situations and posting logs of the results. No one has found a damn thing.


I am not saying there isn't a bug, but if there is one its pretty damn sneaky and hard to reproduce. Which also explains why Blizz can't find a damn thing either.

Still, we look to be getting a buff out of this, so hurrah!