Hey guys,

Just wondering with the new changes to T.N.T in patch 3.1, will you be able to have both Black Arrow and Immolation trap up at the same time?

For example, I trap the boss with Immolation Trap at the start of the fight, and then constanty keep it up by refreshing it with Explosive Shot, when the cooldown for traps has refreshed I can then place a Black Arrow on the boss, having both up at the same time, as Explosive Shot will still be refreshing the trap duration.

This wold be pretty good for the survival tree as Lock and Load has a 6% chance to proc off both Black Arrow and Immolation Trap, not sure if this was intended by Blizzard or was an accident.

Thanks

Most likely Explosive Shot won't be able to refresh immolation trap through T.N.T

The real reason for this is unknown, but most likely it is because giving LnL a fair proc chance would be considered overpowered.


Edit: Blizzard have confirmed that T.N.T won't make ES refresh immo duration and that they won't have a trap launcher ready for 3.1 if anyone reading this is burning to know.

Thanks for clearing that up, current patch notes do say at the moment that Explosive Shot does refresh Imollation trap, but If Bliazzard have said otherwise, it'll be changed with the next update of notes...

That makes Lock and Load pathetic now, instead of a 10% from a DOT thats up 100% of the time, its now 6% from a DOT thats is 15 Seconds on a 24 second cooldown (sorry cant remember what the trap cooldown is talented off the top of my head)

bleh.

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Thanks for clearing that up, current patch notes do say at the moment that Explosive Shot does refresh Imollation trap

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No they don't. Here are the current patch notes:

http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/underdev/testrealm.html

Nowhere does it say there that Explosive Shot refreshes Immolation Trap, with or without TNT.

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No they don't. Here are the current patch notes:

http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/underdev/testrealm.html

Nowhere does it say there that Explosive Shot refreshes Immolation Trap, with or without TNT.

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Cause they finally updated them -.-
They werent updated for very long time regarding explosive shot.

also serpent sting doesnt give a lnl proc? only black arrow will?

making lnl twice as useful as it once was in pve? dang. i thought survival dps was getting a slight buff? or is it worse now?

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also serpent sting doesnt give a lnl proc? only black arrow will?

making lnl twice as useful as it once was in pve? dang. i thought survival dps was getting a slight buff? or is it worse now?

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It's not getting any better.

Not having a constant chance for lnl to proc... that sucks, even though it had a 30 second cooldown.

This is just great -.-

Thanks alot blizz, not to mention the Bosses are likely to be immune to our frost and freezing traps so yeah, only black arrow will give us a chance, no hunter will choose immo trap over black arrow and black arrow has a 15 sec up time with 30 second cd - thats 15 secs with no chance of a lnl proc.

Looks like all other classes will be out dpsing us as they are the only ones i can see getting a buff.
When are you going to announce that you will do anything to keep paladins and mages up top blizz?

Playing a Hunter just gets better and better.

i have been playing a lot on ptr and i have killed 4 bosses in there out of the 7 that blizz let us to try and i can say that SV specc is very good MM specc is also good on dps compared with the other classes.

To clear somethink up about SV specc cause ( mostly played SV) i almost had all the time lnl proc out of the black arrow i was missing like 1-2 LNL procs in like 4 hours of trys per day with breaks of 5 mins or so between trys.

Also that black arrow is very good buff if u play it with the correct rotation cause it gives 6% more dmg on all attacks for 15 secs + the dot that gets benefit from the 6% buff also and if u put trap mastery u will have black arrow every 24 secs instead of 30 and u will put trap mastery cause u wont need hawkeye after the change on sniper training

P.S i do like 500 dps more on ptr than on live server :)

so you force us to trap dance? not nice..

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so you force us to trap dance? not nice..

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Sorry it was my fault trap mastery increases its periodic dmg by black arrow by 30% its not decreasing its cd by 6 secs

Am i the only one who finds more logic out of this ''Your succesfull explosive shots have a 10% chance per tick to reset its cool down''

somthing or other anyway o0

And im also trying to find the logic in why i have to log in twise to get my real port up?

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Not having a constant chance for lnl to proc... that sucks, even though it had a 30 second cooldown.

This is just great -.-

Thanks alot blizz, not to mention the Bosses are likely to be immune to our frost and freezing traps so yeah, only black arrow will give us a chance, no hunter will choose immo trap over black arrow and black arrow has a 15 sec up time with 30 second cd - thats 15 secs with no chance of a lnl proc.

Looks like all other classes will be out dpsing us as they are the only ones i can see getting a buff.
When are you going to announce that you will do anything to keep paladins and mages up top blizz?

Playing a Hunter just gets better and better.

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Black Arrow with 24 seconds cd and 15 seconds uptime....
You will move points from Hawk Eye for 30% more damage on BA, since those extra yards are useless with the new Sniper Training.
So already there we got more dot damage then with the current Serpent Sting, but we want to keep Serpent Sting up as well, since it adds even more damage on top of it all.
Lock and Load proc is tuned down with 9 seconds (3 ticks) thou, so the LnL proc chance is 6.25% instead of 10% over 24 seconds.
Yet damage seems good with Black Arrow in combo with this, remember to train it, it has several ranks.
PTR test results on the heroic target dummy for unbuffed hunters vary from 2.7 - 4.5k

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With all the changes we work on, we can sometimes forget to go back and make the required updates to the patch notes where needed. TnT will not refresh the duration of anything whatsoever. It will just increase the damage done by your Explosive Shot, Explosive Trap and Immolation Trap by 2/4/6%.

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I read recently on the US hunter forums that, on the PTR, talented Explosive Shot via TnT is now doing about 50 less dmg than it currently does on Live Servers. Can anyone confirm or deny that? (that would mean the additional explosive shot dmg in the TnT talent only brings it to almost what it is now per shot)

It was also mentioned that with the fewer ways for LnL to proc, it's actually procing about once every 3minutes. Would it then be wiser to place those talent points in something else, and if so, where? I don't know the Uldar encounters, but I'm not sure I would like to make trap dancing the only way to fight. Even if it is fun on the odd fight.

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I read recently on the US hunter forums that, on the PTR, talented Explosive Shot via TnT is now doing about 50 less dmg than it currently does on Live Servers. Can anyone confirm or deny that? (that would mean the additional explosive shot dmg in the TnT talent only brings it to almost what it is now per shot)

It was also mentioned that with the fewer ways for LnL to proc, it's actually procing about once every 3minutes. Would it then be wiser to place those talent points in something else, and if so, where? I don't know the Uldar encounters, but I'm not sure I would like to make trap dancing the only way to fight. Even if it is fun on the odd fight.

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It is made so you have to take TNT and 2nd +agi talent to get as close to what you have now with Explo Shot. LnL is as random as it can be - once I had proc just to get a 2nd proc after I finished all my charges, then to not have a single proc for 2-3mins. It's simply random and you cant rely on proccing LnL unless you pop a trap (but in a long run still BA used is better - and you need to take the talent to bring it to 24s CD).

And yeah dont worry bout reaplying serpent sting after you shoot black arrow - it gains +dmg after BA is applied so no problem there.