Edit: Removed speculations.

Scroll down for the correct values posted by Kalgan.

I think a little piece of me just died.

look, blizzard dont care, so u suck? well they aint gna change that. Do what i did reroll, u might even ding 60 before expansion, i'm loving this rogue, hes level 43 now and i killed a level 51 warrior today. Warriors suck in live, they will continue to suck in TBC and beyond. No point whining, just stop playing warrior, its not fun anymore.

Was this forumla made by a player, or was it a blue posted it? I've tried to put it up with any data i've gathered from alpha, Kalagan's post etc. and it's just not right.

<Penn> ok

<Penn> level 64 warlock just OWNED me

<Penn> !%%! WARRIORS

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Q u o t e:
dont trust officials about class playing strategies, and dont trust players about forumulae they invented themselves.

and vice versa.

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QFT. You get some data here:

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=37024708&pageNo=8&sid=1#145

For that dps, with given formula that guy should generate around 5.04 rage per swing, not 6.97 as Kalagan pointed it.

<Penn> ok

<Penn> level 64 warlock just OWNED me

<Penn> !%%! WARRIORS

I think you missed the first line of the quote.

Edit: dont forget to take into account the armor ratings and miss adjustments

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Q u o t e:
I think you missed the first line of the quote.

Edit: dont forget to take into account the armor ratings and miss adjustments

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How did I miss what? I don't get it?

And yes, I did use ~40% armor mitigation into account, because that was the one used by kalagan judging by his average rage/hit on live.

<Penn> ok

<Penn> level 64 warlock just OWNED me

<Penn> !%%! WARRIORS

my warrior has died

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Q u o t e:
dont trust officials about class playing strategies, and dont trust players about forumulae they invented themselves.

and vice versa.

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Exactly.

http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/2190/warriornerfvk7.jpg

Sorry, I did my math right, he seems to be right. If that's the fact, then:

a) 55.5% of your rage income is linear

b) an average IBS warrior wtih 120 white dps will generate exacly the same rage on "average armored enemy" on level 60. Kalagan forgot to add that "average armored enemy" is enemy with 41% mitigation, so average IBS joe in greens and blues will notice a drop in rage / hit for everything below 41% mitigation, not to mention crits.

Sad indeed. Then again Penn at level 70 with his fresh gear generate about 25% more rage then average IBS Joe on level 60 with rage normalisation.

<Penn> ok

<Penn> level 64 warlock just OWNED me

<Penn> !%%! WARRIORS

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Q u o t e:

How did I miss what? I don't get it?

And yes, I did use ~40% armor mitigation into account, because that was the one used by kalagan judging by his average rage/hit on live

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With this profile

http://ctprofiles.net/4225116

and the formula
RPH=1.25*WEAPONSPEED+DMG/LVL
RPS = 1.25 + DPS/LVL

we have this overpowered warrior doing an average hit of
(654/14 + 20.3) *3.6 = 241 dmg against a 0% mitigation target.

Kalgan was smart enough to make it even worse by adding the "standar" armor value that according to him it is 40% mitigation. ( notice how he doesn't specify what "standar" armor is )

So against a 40% mitigation opponent this dude will make an avg hit of 241 x 0.6 = 145 dmg

So we insert the data on the formula and we get
1.25 x 3.6 + 145/60 = 6.91 PER HIT WITH THE RAGE NORMALISATION.

In other words kalgan confirmed what most warriors know since one month now. The new rage formula.

The post quoted at the OP, totally pawns kalgan that intentionally forgot
a) to add the battle shout from that poor warrior
b) to include any amount of %crit that this poor warrior would have.
c) to consider that most of this warriors target are not going to have 40% mitigation....


Generally the OP is perfectly correct. Read the post and feel free to make questions if you want.

In other words if you GENERATE more than 2.5 rage/second currently ( 75 dps at lvl 60), you will be nerfed coming TBC
If you generate less than 2.5 rage/second currently ( i don't think i have met anyone who does less than 75dps .....) your rage generation will be weakened.

Good thing you guys are awake! I was already writing an extensive exlplanation complete with additional formulas and everything. Spares me the effort of checking everything.

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Q u o t e:
Kalgan was smart enough to make it even worse by adding the "standar" armor value that according to him it is 40% mitigation. ( notice how he doesn't specify what "standar" armor is )

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That's where the formula is wrong.

It's not 1.25 * SPEED...

Why?

Because then you would gain rage for not doing damage at all (absobtion shields and theretical 100% mitigation enemy), which is simply not the case, the formula is flawed here already. The speed modifier should include mitigation into account, and i figured out it should be something like this (PURE GUESS):

2.15 * (100% - mitigated%) * SPEED + DMG/LV

with 41-42% mitigation (which was the case in Kalagan's post) 2.15 * (100% - mitigated%) is 1.247 - 1.2685. That would mean, no matter what you are hitting, if you are average Joe on level 60 with IBS having 120 white dps in stats you will generate slightly more rage per hit, but still less rage per crit. On level 70 with 200 dps (Penn's case) you are doing better then average Joe.

<Penn> ok

<Penn> level 64 warlock just OWNED me

<Penn> !%%! WARRIORS

Woot. I assume the weapon speed related rage will still be 0 towards a PW:Shield? As in, its not counted as a hit in the first place, and factor = 0?

Thank you for the info, going to update my online calcultor.

Just a question: how is it possible we don't gain rage on fully mitigated hits with this formula? :)

<Penn> ok

<Penn> level 64 warlock just OWNED me

<Penn> !%%! WARRIORS

thanks for Clarification