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Lightning Reflexes – reduced to 3 ranks. In addition to 2/4/6% dodge, this talent now also grants 4/7/10% passive melee haste.

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new buffs new problems, how the hell we suposed to combine fist/sword specc with lightning reflexes, any sugestions are welcome

he he...combat finally buffed...I'll just repeat what I said before, I feel so good sticking with Combat through some hard times...:)

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new buffs new problems, how the hell we suposed to combine fist/sword specc with lightning reflexes, any sugestions are welcome

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Figure out which one is highest DPS, and spec that :)
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Couple of obvious questions:
- Whats the timer & Enrgycost on HfB?
- If it's still nagging-girlfriend-30-seconds (WOOSH WOOSH WOOSH!), did you at least get rid of the sound?
- What's the new CD on AR?
- Does Savage Combat keep its +AP bonus?
- Will haste & armor penetration stop sucking as DPS stats?

- Any chance we'll see stacking rupture, or full rupture refreshes with low CP?
- Any chance the anti-synergy between Mutilate and FA+Poisons concerning Weaponspeeds will be fixed?
- Any chance we'll see longer bossfights in which mana-management actually becomes an issue?
- Any chance we'll see the return of the old find weakness?
- Any chance we'll see RS reduced to 3 points?

- Since you will be buffing other classes too: do you think the above changes will suffice to put us in a position where we can realistically reach for a top-DD position again?

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Figure out which one is highest DPS, and spec that :)

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but but, me likes best fist in game with sword procs on OH = QQ dps/aoe :<

Reading on US forums was weird, people actually thought rogues were good in pve, lol.

changes look VERY boring, in particular that haste part for combat *yawn*. at least you changed a useless talent into a boring one, a small success.

also no HAT love - give HAT rogues some self sustainability, raise crit chance of hemo by talents somehow (puncturing wounds for pvp eventually). hemo needs some love and increasing its crit chance wouldnt effect HAT pve at all until party members in a raid die which is the case where HAT needs some ideas anyway. and it would certainly help hemo in pvp.


overall impression: ZZzzz

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Reading on US forums was weird, people actually thought rogues were good in pve, lol.

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Rogues are good in pve, with good gear and muti spec...

can someone clarify this for me:

Killing Spree - Will it do what it does now +20% damage increase

OR

Will it cancel the effect it has now (stepping in the shadows 5 assaults both weapon attack) and just add 20% damage increase

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Rogues are good in pve, with good gear and muti spec...

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Ah, i am combat.

hfb change needs more info to judge it.


rest is kinda "bleh.."

should make combat > mutilate again (which i dont like... rogue=dagger)


overall all this tells me is that:

1. we will suck atleasat till 3.1 . gratz blizz for making rogue pve crap³ for a whole tier. sure tweak hunters,mages,warriors 2nd and 3rd trees before tweaking even ONE rogue tree. fu

2. if they dont do ALOT more we will still suck compared to other pures and some/most hybrids.

3. HAT will remain the best dps spec.which sucks.




yes those are buffs. but not in the right direction.. (except making lolreflexes a decent talent and finally reducing AR cd).
overall im very disappointed. i expected a nice overhaul that would bring us onpar with mages etc and maybe even bring hfb to its former beta glory (hi mobility) and a shadowdance remake(+shs,hemo,cd unnerfs) to have an alternate pvp specc.

instead we now know that we will keep sucking for more months and that we better start getting big wpns isntead of daggers again like in BC where we dissed most daggers...

Hat will not remain best dps spec, mutilate IS the best dps spec ATM. And after patch combat will be better than HAT too. I dont say it will overdamage mutilate or hunters or smthing, but actually it will be better than it is now.

Am not sure about that, though. 10% haste and savage combat "buff" isnt enough tbh. We'll see...

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Hat will not remain best dps spec, mutilate IS the best dps spec ATM.

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coughnoyourewrongcough

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coughnoyourewrongcough

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No I am not. I am raiding with muti spec and my friend rogue is raiding with HaT spec, I am equal dps to him. And look at my gear and friends gear. He has full t7.5 full 213lvl items. If I would have same gear and better daggers, I would own him in dps every fight.

HfB should not only be against bleeded targets, make it poisoned as well.

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No I am not. I am raiding with muti spec and my friend rogue is raiding with HaT spec, I am equal dps to him. And look at my gear and friends gear. He has full t7.5 full 213lvl items. If I would have same gear and better daggers, I would own him in dps every fight.

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you have no clue. stop posting pls. every single post in the last 30 minutes written by you was deadwrong.

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Rogues are good in pve, with good gear and muti spec...

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I lol'd. We suck in PvE atm no matter what the gear or spec.

I speak from experience. No hope in competing with the equal geared fury warriors / mages / huntters / elemental shamans.

Check my armory if you doubt me.
(Wearing the wrong dagars atm. I have murder + WD for raiding.)

On-topic: The changes to combat look pretty nice... Luckily Calamitys Grasp dropped for me last naxx so I can try it out in 3.1.0 :)

some1 deleted his post but heres the answer

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=f0eb0xZMgV0x0xaru0xRtx

with that specc i could do massive aoe dmg on trash and decent dmg on bosses, on trash i just auto-attacked a random mob so i could generate energy via OH procs (with extra sword procs) i could almost spam FoK, that ofc requires imba tank or you to use TotT (wich i dont ;p ), but i was happy with the dmg output in general, now with the new Lightning reflexes i have to choose fist/dagger or sword specc.

calamity's MH, hatestrike OH