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Just a simply one question on tier....
why you don't make 3 tier for all spec?
why all tiers from tier 4 to t7 are only with BM bonus?

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Do you mean Aspect Mastery, Eltharyon? I think you could say MM has Aimed Shot and Survival Scatter Shot as Tier 3 "Bonusses".

Bit hard to guess what you mean though - try asking again :)

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First off thanks for making this thread, Vaneras. Please feel free to add more information when it becomes available. Imho this thread should be stickied, and GC's answers pertaining to the Hunter class, should be added/relayed herein. Not everyone reads the US Forums.

Now, with all due respect GC, I feel that something is amiss here.

http://www.wowmeteronline.com/rank/clazz/dps/all/6/0/3

This is a list of the top 20 dps'ers from all over the world in Naxx 25 boss encounters.

Not only will you not see a Hunter topping any of these encounters, but there are abt sixteen Hunters overall in the midst of 340 (three hundred and fourty) spots.

I am thus led to conclude, GC, that:

a. The Beast Mastery nerf was un-necessary.
b. The Explosive Shot hotfix was un-necessary.
c. Although still theoretically a class with top DPS potential, Hunters still are unable to do what they were designed for: Top DPS.

I saw GC saying something to the effect that "If there are classes that do more DPS than you, they will be brought in line".

Now, could you please explain to us mate, exactly how the WoW meters figures posted above are not "absolute" but "relative" and what exactly are those "absolute" numbers you are looking at? Thanks a lot in advance.

Edit: Please don't forget us Beast Masters GC. We want our favourite build un-nerfed please. Can we get a date?

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uhm I can't even find a hunter on those lists anymore :o

Blizzard are you sure you didn't over do the hunter nerf just a tad?

Hmm thread title " Hunter questions answered".

Lots of questions and no answers. Not really much point chewing the fat here, might as well just wait till 3.1 and see what they do. Doesnt seem like they listen to us here anyway.

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Maybe i am reading 2 much into this but its sounds like you are saying hunters are not allowed to top meters so you nerf ES?, say no more GC pretty clear to me the future of hunters now.

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couldnt agree more... its obvious now that hunters are being silently put lower.

Whats the problem? u got too many hunters? or... u got too many complaints for hunters? I wanna kno.

u planning a new class? 2010? 2011? can u make a dark hunter? hero hunter...?

right now i feel like a petty hunter, running after the others in groups.

What we have said before was that players tend to look at relative numbers while we look at absolute numbers..

So combining numbers from WWS and wowmeteronline and make and overall average of the numbers from all over the world is a relative number?
And your internal testers numbers are the absolute numbers?

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nothing would make your points more valid. maybe rerolling to troll since u r already 1

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im not a troll you waste of space... how about bring something more to the table other than recycled insults.

I'd like to start of with that this is just RIDICILOUS..
Why do they keep butchering us?!


I mean, i was abit curious when i checked up these changes..
I just had to debate myself into the death knight part of the forum. And woha!
To my suprise, they've been getting buffs since the very beginning.. And not only know, they are getting more buffs, apparently, the healing is way to low. Awkee poor deathknights.
(Resilience will fix it, right?)
Seriously, it seems that the Developers made the hero-class, for own entertainment to begin with.
And that there's really no hunter's up in the developer team anylonger.

Remember lads, this is aint a nerf post or anything.
I was simply just showing you how the game is going forward :o)



Also, hunter's has been laying in the shadows since the alpha start, at BC we got our first primary skill. Haha, - The mighty steady shot, thanks for that.. it was awesome, as long as it lasted as a fine skill untill you screwed it up for us. do'h.

Also, i'd like to point out that hunter's finally get's a Buff in the lich king expansion, but after a month with happiness and joy, it's time to finally make the class useless again, but this time we've got mighty excuses to nerf you to the ground hunters!, We're gonna say that the dps was to high, cause that's what everyone else is saying..

But if we take a moment and review the situation, they buffed survival so it would be equal to what beast mastery hunters was in the launch of the expansion?

Basically, you've done nothing but to piss bm hunter's of quite badly, and make almost every hunter respeccing to survival. Your probably even waiting for people to whine over the Explosive shot and nerf it badly aswell..

But GC, why dont you just remove the class already?
Cause the way your going, is the way the class will go.

Nah let Hunters stay.
Just remove the real bug from WoW

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All the players saying "SV is not too high" justify that by saying "because I am not topping the meters." And in some cases, SV is topping the meters. :)

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No, players are saying SV is not too high since neither the average SV hunter nor the maximum SV hunter damage is anywhere at the top. Almost everybody could easily outdps us if equally geared.

Those 'cases' where SV is topping the meters is usually in hc VoA-pugs where the average dps excist of blue-geared rogues who are carried there by hunters, warriors and other classes whos tier 7.5 dropchance in VoA is almost higher then the chance of getting it in Naxx.
If I manage to get 3.7k dps while player #2 gets 2.5k dps, it does not mean that SV is too high. It means that other players are slacking.
But hey, those majority of slacking people bring in the most amount of cash so you should listen to them.

What is Beastmastery for? When will it be usable against other classes? When will BM hunters have a 51 point talent?

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Thus far, the majority of feedback from hunters has been on shot damage or on which of their pets provides the highest dps boost in a raiding environment.

All your feedback so far really is appreciated and has been and duly noted. We welcome you to provide more feedback to us regarding pet families and their talent trees, this information will be useful in order to make changes to make the Cunning tree in order to make it more viable for PvP and such.

Ultimately we'd love to see Hunters view that nearly every Ferocious pet and the occasional Cunning pet were felt to be valid choices for PvE. Also on the flip-side, it would be ideal if Hunter’s could see almost all Cunning pets and the occasional Tenacity pet to be seen as valid PvP viable pets.

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A suggestion was made to balance Furious Howl up to its player class counterpart buff.
Since currently pet buffs don't stack, but others like example Sting add the same buff as Faerie Fire / Curse of something..

The thing that makes Tenacity popular is dps, hp/happy upkeep and buffs.

What I would find a good thing to do, is making the Cunning pets group buffers.
Another thing I noticed with the different pet families is that Cunning has the worst selfheal/happyness upkeep.
Survivability is pretty low on these pets to.
So a good idea would be to add more group orientated support into Cunning.

To make Tenacity more viable in PvP is a matter of better CC abilities, since they should be lower in dps then the 2 other trees.

Which means we could have 1 tree for dps, 1 for tanking and 1 for group support, where each of them is good at its job besides providing some aid in PvP.

Another thing that could be nice, is adding some critical hit taken reducing ability into the Tenacity tree.