So basically this change makes majority of people in bg's not have much resilience. Awesome!

And there still exists honor epics; boots, belt, wrist, cloaks, trinkets, etc accessories. Addition to that the Wintergrasp items (and possibly blue rep sets again).

But i don't care about PvP. Wotlk will improve PvE content playability so much that i don't see myself grinding battlegrounds at all anymore, at least not for gear. But it's exactly the way i like.

I dont like PVE but if I want to get the best gear I have to raid/farm heroics. I dont want to so I just do arena because thats what I enjoy.

Now if you want to get good gear from PVP you have to do arena and BGs. Stop whining. I dont like raiding so I dont PVE. If you dont like doing arenas dont do PVP. Thats life sorry.

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So basically this change makes majority of people in bg's not have much resilience. Awesome!

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I don't know how you figure that one... but, simply NOT true.

ANYONE can AND will still join BGs. INCLUDING people that actually DO play Arena.

While i agree that this change is a bit of one aimed at making the game a bit more "no life" ish if you like

i respect it with with most of the strands in my casual body. Heres why.

They are making you put more effort into getting pvp gear. its not monster effort but its more effort than is currently requied.

If you a pvp set you have to show your compitent at pvp across the board. No just pilla humping OR zerging BS. You have to be able to perform well in both sides of the pvp environment.

Yes alot of people who only do one or the other for wotever reason are going to be pissed off. but at the heart of it ITS ALL PVP. There for i see it as a reasonable change that u must be good at every aspect of it to get the gear.

The main problem here is that people have become USED to getting epics one way or the other. Epics are kind of EXPECTED these days rather than seen as an item of epic quality.

Anyone remember getting a Lei of Lilly's back in the day? HOLY %%!* A PURPLE and even tho i am probably one of the most uncaring casuals playing this game who i know i think that aspect kinda makes this game more enjoyable.

It gives you something to aim at rather than having to meet epic expectations.

I am not in beta so I really have no clue if they have changed how TR and PR works in WoTLK, but if nothing have changed there they really haven´t learnt a thing from the previous seasons. Boosting will run rampant again and there will be very few teams above 2k rating resulting in longer wait times for those teams and oh and behold whining from the hardcore pvpers =) since they really can´t advance, resulting in remaking new teams to either boost or to just feel like a god crushing the lower ranked teams again while they go on screaming L2P etc etc , I am sure you get my drift here.

In other words, it will look just like it looks today and if you have followed the various boards you know people are complaining and yes even the ones that really wanted this change with req ratings. But then again it is not like we didn´t try to warn people this would happen when it was first brought up.

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From MMO-champion:

"Wintergrasp Rewards - Grants the winning team 1500 honor and 500 arena points for participating in Wintergrasp."

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http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9233135407&pageNo=1&sid=2000#0

"To help provide better feedback for PvP testing, we’ll be temporarily providing Honor and Arena gear from a vendor in Wintergrasp. The rate at which you receive honor has been accelerated to help players gear up quickly while helping us test the zone. In addition, we are also providing Arena points during the beta for testing purposes so that players can PvP in a complete set of PvP gear."

-Verimonde

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From MMO-champion:

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Please read the WHOLE article at MMO-champion ! If you did you would discover that its only during the BETA PHASE :-)

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I am not in beta so I really have no clue if they have changed how TR and PR works in WoTLK, but if nothing have changed there they really haven´t learnt a thing from the previous seasons. Boosting will run rampant again and there will be very few teams above 2k rating resulting in longer wait times for those teams and oh and behold whining from the hardcore pvpers =) since they really can´t advance, resulting in remaking new teams to either boost or to just feel like a god crushing the lower ranked teams again while they go on screaming L2P etc etc , I am sure you get my drift here.

In other words, it will look just like it looks today and if you have followed the various boards you know people are complaining and yes even the ones that really wanted this change with req ratings. But then again it is not like we didn´t try to warn people this would happen when it was first brought up.

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Yes its getting ridiculous that adult intelligent wow players keep repeating the same mantra, and the whole PVP experience just gets worse and worse, this new change will INCREASE AFK´ing in BGs and INCREASE Point/Boosting in Arena !

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I dont like PVE but if I want to get the best gear I have to raid/farm heroics. I dont want to so I just do arena because thats what I enjoy.

Now if you want to get good gear from PVP you have to do arena and BGs. Stop whining. I dont like raiding so I dont PVE. If you dont like doing arenas dont do PVP. Thats life sorry.

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Stop being a small mindede egocentric kid. ...

Arena was an ADDENDUM an AFTERTHOUGHT to PVP in wow it came only after 3 plus years with BC. WHY do i have to keep reminding people what Jeff Kaplan said about WHY they made Arena in the MMO-zine interview just before BC released ? NONE of the CORE DESIGN PHILOSOPHY GOALS of arena is remaining NONE, why ? Because the egocentric selfobsessed PVE e-pen maniacs NEEDED to feel special in a videogame, and whiiiiiined until they had their wil. GET OVER IT use your money on a pshycologist if you need to boost your self esteem so much from a videogame, its a GAME its for FUN,. WHY cant you take EVEN, EQUAL competition its even called E-SPORT for a reason. Or are you so bad you NEED this advantage to help you winning ? GOD im tired of all the egocentric pricks in this game ! and someone has to say this aloud !

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Now if you want to get good gear from PVP you have to do arena and BGs. Stop whining. I dont like raiding so I dont PVE. If you dont like doing arenas dont do PVP. Thats life sorry.

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Sorry but I have to disagree with you very strongly there.

Arena is NOT the be-all-and-end-all of PvP. In fact it's just a MINOR part that a MINORITY of players enjoy.

Personally I'm in favour of the battleground PvP set being 'blue quality'. They could make it 'grey quality' for all I care, what matters is that the standard equipment for one of the many end-game activities is suited to that activity. This means that for battlegrounding, it needs to make you tough enough to stand your ground on the battleground, and be obtained by battlegrounding.

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While i agree that this change is a bit of one aimed at making the game a bit more "no life" ish if you like

i respect it with with most of the strands in my casual body. Heres why.

They are making you put more effort into getting pvp gear. its not monster effort but its more effort than is currently requied.

If you a pvp set you have to show your compitent at pvp across the board. No just pilla humping OR zerging BS. You have to be able to perform well in both sides of the pvp environment.

Yes alot of people who only do one or the other for wotever reason are going to be pissed off. but at the heart of it ITS ALL PVP. There for i see it as a reasonable change that u must be good at every aspect of it to get the gear.

The main problem here is that people have become USED to getting epics one way or the other. Epics are kind of EXPECTED these days rather than seen as an item of epic quality.

Anyone remember getting a Lei of Lilly's back in the day? HOLY %%!* A PURPLE and even tho i am probably one of the most uncaring casuals playing this game who i know i think that aspect kinda makes this game more enjoyable.

It gives you something to aim at rather than having to meet epic expectations.

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I agree, my brother who became a level 70 warlock 3 days ago already has 75% of his gear in epic quality from various heroics and karazhan.. I mean.. he got a T4 head the same day he got level 70? karazhan is too easy.

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I agree, my brother who became a level 70 warlock 3 days ago already has 75% of his gear in epic quality from various heroics and karazhan.. I mean.. he got a T4 head the same day he got level 70? karazhan is too easy.

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Only if you're being boosted, which he clearly is. 4/5 people in the raid in good gear, the other raid members can be in quest greens and it still works out, and the well-geared people won't be rolling on the loot either.

You can get the same effect in PvP by BGing in a premade with fully-geared mates and farming WSG or EotS, or by getting boosted in arena for lots of games a week.

this change will not effect afking in BGs either directly or indirectly.
if you disaggree i ask you to expain exactly how it will.

it will however effect participation

not only that but if that's your reasoning for backing it you are punishing the majority of those who enjoy participating in BGs for the sake of pursuing the minority who, juding by their actions, obviously do not.

there is no logic in that at all.

the afking problem could be solved with the inclusison one simple console command - /votekick
a tried and proven method of dealing with such things in pretty much every team based pvp game that exists.

Hey, this is an american game, so don't expect too much intellectual depth, intelligence or reason. You wanna know where this game is heading? Take a brief look at american history and culture; this game will get even more fat, even more stupid and invade even more countries.

/F

Copied this from what I wrote in my thread on the same topic:

My main problem with the new system is that it leaves people who can get to 1600 rating no better off than people at 1050 rating, so essentially in Blizzard's eyes if you can get your team to even 1650 you still deserve as much reward as someone whose team is 1000 rating, how is this fair?

For some people it is a massive achievment to get into the 1600's, because whatever our l33t friends here say - some people do have more natural aptitude than others when it comes to gaming and some simply have way more spare time on their hands, so no not everyone can reach the top, not even if they try very hard. I never said about the gear being free or extremely easy to obtain, but effort which a person puts into the game should be rewarded even if that person for whatever reason cannot achieve a high rating.

And I am so sick of people saying 'oh you just want gear for AFK'ing in a bg' no, that is not what the majority of players want, they simply want achievable goals which would keep them interested in the game. Make stricter punishments for the AFK'ers, more AFK control... but for god's sake give everyone an opportunity to have good gear through doing things they love, everyone keeps talking about pre-TBC when PvP epics were hard to get.. yes they were difficult to get and required effort, but ANYONE could get them sooner or later when they put effort into the game.

With the new system if you lose 10 games a week for a couple of months you can get set number 1, and if you genuinly try your best but can only get to lower 1600 set number 1 is still all you will get, so how is this system rewarding to the majority of people who actually try? You do realise that only around 10-15% of wow population are above 1700 rating.. do you honestly believe that everyone who cannot get there is just a lazy retard who doesn't want to try?

I am not saying that Blizzard should give the exact same rewards for everyone but what is wrong with having 1 set of gear and a ladder of rating requirenments similar to the way things were in season 3? The 'l33t' players will still get special rewards, but at least the gear difference between the average and the 'l33t player wouldn't be as massive as in the new system so that the former won't feel completely hopeless of ever progressing and getting absolutely steamrolled in battleground and arena by the bored 2000+ rated players who decided to boost someone or restart their team.. or just felt like going or a 'noob' massacare in a bg.