After (those of us who play on the Coldera WOTLK beta server) have reached EPIC LONG threads on the beta forums , about the fact that Blizzard is FORCING Arena down your throat whether you like it or not. I
In the threads there is nobody that actually thinks (not even the PVE fanbois ...think about that) the change is a good change at all, they all agree Blizzard reached all time low doing this.


its time to make a statement here on the wow-europe forums to let Blizzard know this change is unacceptable.

Basically there is 3 arena sets for each season now in WOTLK. 2 upper tier Epic sets where the lowest tier set requires quite high arena rating on ALL pieces, and the upper tier set where there is just very high rating requirements on all pieces.

The thing is the lowest tier set, that is blue quality, requires ARENA POINTS in addition to honor, so not only it is blue (the color is not important as long as You can PVP with it) but you are FORCED to Arena to be competitive in ANY Battleground !

Now if you look at all the unhappy posts in the beta forums there are THOUSANDS of players that loate Arenas and only care for Battlegrounds. As the game is not shipping yet we can still tell Blizzard this change is unacceptable.

NB ! the arena points You get currently for Lake Wintergrasp is ONLY for test purposes, already confirmed by blue post, so no need for "you get arean points for WIntergrasp posts" :-)

first off: should be either in suggestion or pvp forums, with that out of the way, I should mention that this is most likely an attempt to make sure people actually need to show some skill before getting the lewtz, would be far better with a change making wins necessary to get the marks.

just my 5 cents

Petitions = LOCK

No matter how valid your arguments may be, screaming "Petition!" will get you locked down quicker than Gary Glitter at a 10 year olds birthday party.

This is very double sided if you ask me..

If I want to be competitive in PvE (raids) I have to:

Max my professions, run 5 man normals (heroics now) until it totally bores you, yet still you are forced to do them.

The current Arena state:

I fell behind in the PvP race when it comes to gear. No problem for me, I accept the fact I don't have the time to compete in 2 aspects of the game. BUT if I want PvP gear I have to do battleground for quiet some time. Now with 300 resi I still get facerolled alot in arena. I don't care about battlegrounds at all, but I still spent most of my time there, and now I am bored with them. I stopped PvP totally due this reason.

Making arena points a requirement is a nice change from the free epix you get from battlegrounds now. (botters, leechers, etc).


if you have to do alot to be able to compete in PvE, why not do the same for PvP? On the other hand if you don't like arena, but do like battlegrounds, well that sucks, but it prevents people from leeching and afking..

Arena is the best aspect of PvP in the game.

Duels - just duels, dosnt matter if you win or lose really. Just for fun / Practive.
Battlegrounds - "preQ" to get gear for arena.
Arena - Where you do your best and get rewarded if you do good in the long shot. This is where the best pvpers are.

And, nobody is forcing you to do arena. Go do battlegrounds forever.
Or, you might take it one step up and actually try some real pvp in the arena.




I sounded like a 2400 fag didnt I?

I agree, this is a horrible change.

BG people should have their gear, as they've had ever since PVP gear was introduced. Even it's worse than arena gear.

The sad part here is the reason for this; Blizzard needs to force people into arena, because with ratings on every piece of epic arena gear, many wouldn't even bother and the bottom would fall out.

Really sad and needs to be stopped.

well, if you ask me, arena is the failiest pvp aspect of the game.

I do think that the idea of the itemization is great (three different tiers of armor/weapons in one season, and you only get the best with high ratings), but really, why FORCE people to play arena to get any pvp gear at ALL?
I have heard that pvp in Wintergrasp would also reward arena points, so this could help a little.. but apparently you will only get minimal amount of points there (if at all).

so all in all, the itemization is very nice indeed, this is how it should be... but people shouldn't be forced to play arena just to get even the basic gear for pvp.

and don't bring the "amg bg leecher" comments into this. the only leechers I've ever seen are people in full T3/T4 who are leeching to get the non-arena pieces for their gear. besides, leechers are very few in these days anyway.

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Making arena points a requirement is a nice change from the free epix you get from battlegrounds now. (botters, leechers, etc).


if you have to do alot to be able to compete in PvE, why not do the same for PvP? On the other hand if you don't like arena, but do like battlegrounds, well that sucks, but it prevents people from leeching and afking..

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You need honor points and arena points (for the first two sets), so the leeching will still be there unfortunately. In fact since all the items in those 2 sets require honor points not just the offpieces like boots, bracers etc, the leeching is likely to increase not decrease.

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well, if you ask me, arena is the failiest pvp aspect of the game.

I do think that the idea of the itemization is great (three different tiers of armor/weapons in one season, and you only get the best with high ratings), but really, why FORCE people to play arena to get any pvp gear at ALL?
I have heard that pvp in Wintergrasp would also reward arena points, so this could help a little.. but apparently you will only get minimal amount of points there (if at all).

so all in all, the itemization is very nice indeed, this is how it should be... but people shouldn't be forced to play arena just to get even the basic gear for pvp.

and don't bring the "amg bg leecher" comments into this. the only leechers I've ever seen are people in full T3/T4 who are leeching to get the non-arena pieces for their gear. besides, leechers are very few in these days anyway.

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Same question but the other way around:

I like arena, why do I have to spend AGES in battlegrounds first to prevent I get oneshotted in arena?

To be honest i dont care anymore, not even if Blizzard bans all of my 4 accounts i played and paid for more than 4 years now...we have put up with so much the over the last 4 years, which was eatable still, but this thing is not acceptable.

Its being said so well in this quote on another thread on the same topic:

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" It's not that arena got the best gear that's the problem, it's that BG players can't even get a set without doing arena.

this

it's about player self-determination (or 'freedom of choice' to use another phrase)

freedom of choice is one of the reasons Arena exists in the first place (so self styled 'PvPers' don't have to Raid)"

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You need honor points and arena points (for the first two sets), so the leeching will still be there unfortunately. In fact since all the items in those 2 sets require honor points not just the offpieces like boots, bracers etc, the leeching is likely to increase not decrease.

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Exactly ! the leeching will just get worse !

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Same question but the other way around:

I like arena, why do I have to spend AGES in battlegrounds first to prevent I get oneshotted in arena?

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I agree 100 % with You ! that you need Honor points for ALL the new arena gear even the highest tier is also FAIL. In other words leave the system as it is now, the class imbalance is worse enough as it is.

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And, nobody is forcing you to do arena. Go do battlegrounds forever.

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See, that's just wrong. Blizzard *ARE* forcing us to do arena, that's the whole point.

Why don't you understand this very basic POINT, which is the reason OP made this thread? Was it the wording, advanced use of language, what?

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I sounded like a 2400 fag didnt I?

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yes, you did

btw, nobody taken my idea into account? to stop giving the single marks to the losing teams? just think about it! no more "let's lose"!! :D

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btw, nobody taken my idea into account? to stop giving the single marks to the losing teams? just think about it! no more "let's lose"!! :D

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and what fun it would be in the battlegroups where the other faction always has 50% less players than the other one...

if anything should be changed about the bg marks, they should just remove them completely. make the rewards available only for honor (and, well, apparently arena points), you don't need the marks for anything. just increase bonus honor from flag caps etc. a bit so that the winning team will feel that they have achieved something (instead of marks).


edit: I just realized that if there was no marks, then no one would ever do wsg, ab or eots. ok, that was a bad idea.. but so was removing the 1 mark from the losing team :)

From MMO-champion:

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"Wintergrasp Rewards - Grants the winning team 1500 honor and 500 arena points for participating in Wintergrasp."

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I think it's quite a good change.

Also, I like the fact that the crap pvp set is worse than the worst 80 pve gear. I didn't like the fact that you could afk in battlegrounds and get a better weapon than you could from the last boss in karazhan.

Also, now that you need arena points people will no longer be able to bot in bg's for gear. It's a good change.

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But they still NEED battleground honour as well as arena points. So instead of leeching for a weapon, now they leech for 50 percent of the weapon and lose 10 games a week for the other half.

Blizzard need to do something to fix the leeching, like ban everyone caught doing it or have the report function actually do something useful.