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  • 0. Guide: Leotheras tanking   17.08.2007 13:18:28 PDT
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Since I saw a topic popping up about this subject every now and then, and I was bored today, I wrote a guide about it, I hope it can help some warlock tank who try this fight for the first time, and if not, I had fun writing it :)


(1) Who is Leotheras and why do you need a warlock tank?


Leotheras is a battle witch switch between a “human phase” and a “demon phase”, when you get him to 15% you fight both phases at once. He’s on a 10 minute timer. Between phases there is a 100% aggro reset.

Human phase: You use a normal tank here (preferably a druid or paladin because of the Inner Demon spell in the demon phase), he does a “Whirlwind” (12 seconds) that doesn’t hit very hard but leaves a dot that will do significant damage. After the whirlwind there is a total aggro reset, wich makes it quite hard to do heavy damage in this phase because he whirlwinds pretty often. Usually raids use a searing totem to get Leotheras back to the middle after the whirlwind so the tank can pick it up.

Demon phase: He does a spell called “Chaos Blast”, it’s a bolt that does about 100-200 Fire damage to the target and everyone in a 8 yard range. It also gives a debuff that increase fire damage taken by 1,675, and this debuff can stack limitless. This is the reason you can’t have a normal tank here, all the melee would have to stay out or they would die. Because of the whirlwinds in the human phase, you have to go full out on dps in the demon form or you won’t make the 10m enrage timer.
The second spell is “Inner Demon”, which puts a debuff on a few random people, this debuff spawns a “Inner demon” on the target and the demon has the exact same amount of health as the target. Only the target can do damage to the Inner Demon, it has to die within 25 seconds or it will mind control the target for the rest of the fight (so the raid has to kill the mind controlled player then).

15% phase: You have both a Human and a Demon here, the Human has to die while the Demon is offtanked by the warlock. There are no Inner Demon spawns in this phase.


(2) What items do you need to tank Leotheras?


Obviously, you need a lot of Fire Resistance for this fight, there are guides which say you need 250FR unbuffed, there are who say you need more. I myself tanked him with 275FR and it went fine with the correct talent spec. I’ll post a list of easy to get FR items here:


- http://www.thottbot.com/i30762 - Infernoweave Robe - 60FR – Requires 30 [Badge of Justice]

- http://www.thottbot.com/i30761 - Infernoweave Leggings - 55FR – Requires 30 [Badge of Justice]

- http://www.thottbot.com/i30764 - Infernoweave Gloves - 40FR – Requires 20 [Badge of Justice]

- http://www.thottbot.com/i30763 - Infernoweave Boots - 45FR – Requires 20 [Badge of Justice]

- http://www.thottbot.com/i31746 - Phoenix-fire Band - 30FR – Quest reward from Trial of the Naaru: Magtheridon, this quest is a follow up from a long questline that at the Altar of Damnation in Shadowmoon Valley.

- http://www.thottbot.com/i31074 - Amulet of the Torn-heart – 24FR – Quest reward, you get this in the same questline as the Phoenix-fire Band, but much earlier on.

- http://www.thottbot.com/i29196 - Glyph of Fire Warding – 20FR – An enchant you can put a head slot item. Requires Honored with either Thrallmar or Honor Hold and 90 gold.

- http://www.thottbot.com/s25081 - Enchant Cloak - Greater Fire Resistance – 15FR – An enchant you can put on a back slot item. Requires an enchanter with at least 300 skill and 3x Nexus Crystal, 8x Large Brilliant Shard and 4x Essence of Fire. Formula can be bought in Silithus for 10 gold when you’re friendly with the Cenarion Circle.


When you get all this you have enough FR for sure, you can even miss out on 1 or 2 items/enchants of the above list but I would advice a minimum of 250FR unbuffed.

Since your gear is pretty gimped now, I would suggest taking a non-gimped cloak and head to put the FR enchants on.
Also, if you still have gold left by now, +150 health enchant on chest and +12stamina enchant on boots can help a bit.
Runic/Mystic Spell thread on pants for more spell damage and stamina (ask a tailor who got exalted reputation with Scryer for the Mystic Spell thread), I know that there exists a 20FR enchant to legs but this is not really needed and to much of a hassle to get these days.
I’d also advice to enchant Spell Strike on gloves (+15 spell hit rating) since you don’t want to get to many resists on leotheras while tanking him.


(3) What spec do I need to tank Leotheras?


The best way to gain aggro on leotheras is with Searing Pain spamming. Try to get as much spell hitrating as possible (max 16%) to lower the chances of a resist on it, which can be disastrous if you get it when he transforms from human to demon and aggro is reset. You can’t get +hit on Searing Pain from your talents so it mainly has to come from your non-FR gear.

Now, for the times it does hit it is of course good if it crits much, this you can boost with talents heavily with the following talent spec:

http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/basics/talents/warlock/talents.html?0000000000000000000002050030133250100511350055000502030010000000

As you can see you get a total of 20% extra crit to your Searing Pain with this spec.

I’ll explain the other elements of this talent spec:
*Master Demonologist – You will always keep your Fellhunter up, soullink and stationed a bit away from you so he doesn’t get the Chaos Blast debuff.
*Soullink: This can make you last one or two debuffs longer and I would advice keeping this up at all times and have a healer throw a HoT on your pet once in a while.
*Fell domination + Master Summoner: If your pet dies you can get it back in 0.5seconds
*Do not take Destructive Reach, this will lower your aggroregenration on Leotheras.

I think all the other talent choices are quite logical, and the ones who aren’t are just fill-ups ;)

This spec isn’t required, in theory you can tank Leotheras with any spec as long as you have enough FR, but I advice every lock to take this spec the first couple of tries he tanks this boss.

I read a lot of different things about Nether Protection proccing or not from Chaos Blast with aggrochanges as results but the following is now confirmed by Salthem:
"Chaos Blast does not trigger Nether Protection"



(4) Ok I got everything now, how do I tank the bastard?


Quite simple, a few seconds before he transforms from human to demon phase you throw corruption and CoA on him (let another warlock put CoE on) and immediately after he transforms start spamming searing pain, you should never loose aggro this way because ranged and melee dps will go full out on this phase after a few seconds.

If he uses whirlwind a few seconds before he transforms from human to demon, follow him, he will pop from human to demon whether he’s using whirlwind or not so you’d better keep him in range to avoid unnecessary deads and whipes.

I usually tank him on the stairs to the left if I don't have to chase him on a whirlwind, and I set my pet below the stairs against a wall to minimise the chance of it getting hit by the whirlwind, he's also in range of my healers this way and I usually just ask a druid to put a HoT on my pet now and then.

Use DBM (Deadly Boss Mod) or Bigwigs for timers on the phases, be sure that you don’t have any dots on when he transforms from demon to human again!

You are very likely to die a couple of times on the first tries and kills you do on this boss, soulstone yourselve and let a druid have a Combat rez ready, you can summon your demon and soullink it again very fast, but don’t forget to put it away somewhere save and in healers range!

You don’t have to worry about Inner Demons because he will never put the debuff on the one on the top of the aggrolist, which will be you.

On the 15% phase, you offtank his avatar, which looks the same as the demon phase and has the exact same abilities, you basically keep offtanking him until either the raid kills Leotheras or until you die.

(Resumes in next post)

[ Post edited by Zoomerr ]


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  • Bloodscalp
  • 1. Re: Guide: Leotheras tanking   17.08.2007 13:19:35 PDT
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(5) I did everything you said but I still keep dieing / get aggro!

Noob! L2p ;)

Nah, serious now, you can either get some more FR or some more health if you keep dieing. Ask a shaman or a paladin to give a FR totem/aura for an extra 70FR, get health/stamina enchants on your gear, pop a flask of fortification,….

Also, if you go with the talent spec I posted above, tell everyone to buff your pet up, keeps him longer alive and boosts your damage with a little bit.

You can get a lot more aggro if you have a good raid/party setup:
*A firemage will give you 15% more dmg on your Searing pain
*A Shadowpriest can give you another 5%
*Elemental shaman can drop Totem of Wrath and Wrath of air for more spelldmg, spell hit and crit rating, and a bloodlust if really needed.
*A Moonkin druid can give you an extra 5% crit

If you really have problems, you can time a CoD to let it tick right after the Human to Demon phase change.

Also, check if a paladin put Blessing of Salvation on you and remove it if he did, they tend to always put this up.

DBM or Bigwigs is really mandatory for this fight for the timers, you will make things a lot harder for yourselve if you don't use them. Also, if you keep loosing aggro try getting a threatmeter and see if it is yourselve who doesn't get enough aggro or someone else who's just way to high on aggro.

If you still have problems, you can always contact me in this topic or on Bloodscalp PvP server, horde side;

And always remember, if you die: Blame the healers!


-Zoomerr


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Edit1: Changed the part about nether protection
Edit2: Added a paragraph about positioning
Edit3: Added some more ways to get better aggro to (5)
Edit4: Changed the part about nether protection again (NP does not proc!)

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  • 2. Re: Guide: Leotheras tanking   17.08.2007 13:26:30 PDT
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Since agro is reset at switch you're better to put on CoD early so that it goes off a second or two after phase switch, will give you a nice agro boost or can grab you agro if someone messes up and keeps DPSing at phase switch.

http://ctprofiles.net/89100
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  • 3. Re: Guide: Leotheras tanking   17.08.2007 14:41:10 PDT
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Also, if you have downed Karathress / Void Reaver you should get 2x t5 which makes the healing significantly easie now with Soul Link (no need to heal pet)

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3334616489432980550&q=wrathruin
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  • 4. Re: Guide: Leotheras tanking   17.08.2007 16:05:21 PDT
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Last time I was there i was the only warlock and I could keep aggro with only coe/searing pain and an immolate/corruption now and then to do some more dmg

I actually ended 7 on the meters while tanking, forgot to take a screenie tho :/

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  • 5. Re: Guide: Leotheras tanking   17.08.2007 18:26:05 PDT
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i stopped hardcore raiding but i'm kinda curious (this is mostly based on twin experience):

* saccing imp for 15% extra aggro? SL was "mandatory" for twins for a while but not a requirement in the end.
* Is 275FR based on having some other buffs like motw present? I seem to recall its 315 to max at 70..
* you might want to include some tips on placing your pet unless thats a non-issue here.

anyway, even though ill prolly never tank him, good job on making a guide for this :)

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  • 6. Re: Guide: Leotheras tanking   17.08.2007 18:51:42 PDT
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Q u o t e:
i stopped hardcore raiding but i'm kinda curious (this is mostly based on twin experience):

* saccing imp for 15% extra aggro? SL was "mandatory" for twins for a while but not a requirement in the end.
* Is 275FR based on having some other buffs like motw present? I seem to recall its 315 to max at 70..
* you might want to include some tips on placing your pet unless thats a non-issue here.

anyway, even though ill prolly never tank him, good job on making a guide for this :)



* SL makes this fight so much easyer - A )70 fire ress from pet B) 20% less dmg on you , and that leaves gear spots to put some more stam gear on ... i got 17k hp on him . and searing pain does so much aggro that 800-900 hits and 1600-1800 crits are enoth to hold him while the raid nukes .

* As far as i know 350 fire ress is max on lvl 70 . really easy to get especialy if ur SL with 70 from pet and a fire ress totem/aura

* and u can hide the pet in the litle tent in the midle , he rarely gets hit and some healer is always in range to throw a litle heal on him even if he gets hit by the WW .


i do have a question thow ... are u shure about the Nether Protection procks screwing things up ? cause i tanked him ones win destro specc and got the prock ... but didnt notice him turn away from me





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  • 7. Re: Guide: Leotheras tanking   17.08.2007 19:05:49 PDT
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sounds like an interesting fight. i think the inner demon thing would be cool if you wasnt fast enough lol. but does it happen to the tank? could be hard for the tank to keep aggro and kill something with around 20k health in 25 seconds not to mention protection speced...


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  • 8. Re: Guide: Leotheras tanking   17.08.2007 19:16:45 PDT
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Q u o t e:
sounds like an interesting fight. i think the inner demon thing would be cool if you wasnt fast enough lol. but does it happen to the tank? could be hard for the tank to keep aggro and kill something with around 20k health in 25 seconds not to mention protection speced...


the inner demon thing comes after some time while hes in the demon form . and the tank never gets it .
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  • 9. Re: Guide: Leotheras tanking   17.08.2007 19:23:06 PDT
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thats good then. yeh does sound like an intersting fight. although the dps shudn't have any trouble killing there inner demon in 25 seconds. especially mages. with there 10k health and mega burst damage


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  • 10. Re: Guide: Leotheras tanking   17.08.2007 19:32:52 PDT
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thats good then. yeh does sound like an intersting fight. although the dps shudn't have any trouble killing there inner demon in 25 seconds. especially mages. with there 10k health and mega burst damage


nha the dps classes burn theyrs in seconds ... its the healers that fail the most on this . the adds are weak to nature/holy/arcane dmg so its a bit easyer for the healers to kill them ... but still some resto druid always manages to get MCed and killed by the raid :)
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  • 11. Re: Guide: Leotheras tanking   17.08.2007 19:58:49 PDT
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SL isn't needed but it makes learning attempts easier, i specced 0/40/21 for the first kill but after that I used my 0/21/40 build with imp searing pain and sacced Imp for extra fire dmg (extra threat). Put the filler points in Emberstorm and Imp Searing pain. With Commanding shout and imp (from another warlock) I have 18k hp (more than enough) and resist cappad, no problems with keeping aggro. This way I don't have to gimp my self with running 0/40/21 on other encounters or respecc only for Leo.

Put up CoD as he releases the first time and when it is 10 seconds left of the demon phase to have a nicely timed CoD for initial aggro. Also try and time a Soulfire to hit when he enters the demon phase and no one will catch up on you in terms of threat,

Resist cap is at 365 and Nether Protection will not proc of his attacks (tried it once to see how it worked).

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  • 12. Re: Guide: Leotheras tanking   18.08.2007 04:35:44 PDT
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About the nether protection, I guessed they changed it then, I'll correct it into the guide

Last time I tanked him I had 13k hp buffed wich was enough, altho I went really low a few times at the 15% phase. I was the only lock so I didn't have a bloodpact.

As I said, my spec is a recommended one, but not neccesary, if you don't like respeccing much try to sort something with your guildbank.

I usually tank him on the stairs to the left if I don't have to chase him on a whirlwind., and I set my pet below the stairs against a wall to minimise the chance of it getting whirlwind, he's also in range of my healers this way and I usually just ask a druid to put a HoT on my pet now and then.


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  • 13. Re: Guide: Leotheras tanking   18.08.2007 04:46:21 PDT
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On the Inner Demons, your Human phase tank can get an Inner Demon.
Only the one highest on aggro cant get one, which is the warlock if everything is correct, this si the reason most guilds prefer a feral druid or a protection paladin above a protection warrior, because they really have a hard time with no real damage output against a 20k health demon (I never saw a tanking prot warrior kill it in time).

Paladins have Exorcism, and the Inner Demons are vurnable to holy spells.
Feral druids... well they're just good at killing things quick, catform and pewpew.

Not gonna add this to the guide since it isn't really related to the demon phase tanking.

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  • 14. Re: Guide: Leotheras tanking   18.08.2007 10:00:38 PDT
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I'd do some testing before you claim nether protection is 100% safe, it caused some very funny wipes on twins, maybe that has been fixed (for leo or in general) but i would not just write "its safe to spec nether" without running some actual tests ;)

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  • 16. Re: Guide: Leotheras tanking   18.08.2007 10:11:15 PDT
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We never used a warlock to tank :)

Why "sacrifice" a dps class when you have a prot warrior who can't do much else than tanking? :D
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  • 17. Re: Guide: Leotheras tanking   18.08.2007 11:30:22 PDT
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We never used a warlock to tank :)

Why "sacrifice" a dps class when you have a prot warrior who can't do much else than tanking? :D


Because it's easier to kill him in the 10minute enrage timer with a ranged tank.

Added the warning about NP, I'll be looking into this a bit more tommorow.

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  • 19. Re: Guide: Leotheras tanking   19.08.2007 05:54:00 PDT
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Tbh, I never heard or saw a movie from a raid doing it with warrior tank instead of warlock tank.

Ok, a lot of guilds did it on twins but here... I really don't get how you can kill him withint the timelimit expect when you take 0 melee with you exept the MT?

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