HOW will people be able to sell points/ratings with this system? Please enlighten me.

Afaik, having a rating AND points restriction to low-personal rating players in high-rated teams pretty much killed any form of point/rating selling.

With ONE decision Blizzard ruined the game for me.

Those who think this is a good thing... well the following will automatically occur:

- Arena with friends (to have fun) will dissapear (my son and brother make for a 50% winning combo with 2xPala and a Hunter)

- People in the 1300 to 1500 bracket will just no longer be motivated and leave arena play.

- Instead of growing interest, arena play will lose interest.

- Some classes will have it lots easier to have that "special gear", while others will have nothing.

- How to defend oneself in BG's when you are always 2 levels behind.

- Being spit on and laughed at by elitist children, I thought this was a thing of the past.

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This decision is AGAINST the complete design philosophy of the game recently and punishes the casual player who doesn't like raiding.

I defended on these forums, well no longer.

the moron at Blizzard who decided this will be responsible for thousands of average players leaving.

What a terrible decision.

OK but personal rating for Season 4 quality items it`s simply lol.

That mean only one thing a good geared ppl will farming low rating peoples and how Blizz expect them to get higher rating in crap gear, we all know that you can`t do nothing to someone who have good gear.

Well that sux and me as a mage how i can get 2200 rating to get shoulders????????? Can someone from blizz tell that here. How many mages will have S4 shoulders? One in USA one in EU probably.

Worst changes, ever.

There's really no point anymore playing other than FOTM combos, nothing else will manage. Personally, I've never liked those since I play with friends, who just happen not to be one.
But this far, it hasn't been a problem. We've played, we've won, we've lost, and our ratings have varied betwen 1500 - 1650, but no higher due to the obvious suckyness behind our combos. Yet still we've kept on playing. We've been getting like 275-350 points / week, which isn't much but it still helps us to get a bit better to hope to get better ratings. Which won't happen, but there's still something to fight for as we can still earn most of our gear, it just takes considerably more time than at the 2k+ ratings with 3-4x higher point gains / week.

With s4, this isn't possible, we might get 3-4 items of s4, and that's all about it. Game over. Nothing to see here. There's no point playing since there's nothing you can gain from it unless you change from friend-based team to FOTM which won't happen, friends > ratings. As said, before this didn't matter as there was still something to keep fighting for but that will be all gone.

Also, I heavily dislike the classification of BGs as 2nd grade places. A bit of rant about lore (which hasn't been much of an issue to Blizzard with WoW).
This is World of Warcraft, based is Warcraft universe where Horde / Alliance are fighting each other (and few others, like Burning Legion but that's not the point here). In Battlegrounds, that is happening, but in Arenas, it's some random goblins organizing some random beatings for people. Yet still, the rewards from these random beatings are better than the reward from what this game should be about, fighting the other faction.
Even moreso now that the old arenagear is moved to honor system. Is the gear that those goblins craft so much better than what alliance / horde can do that they will take it as their own and give as rewards of doing what should be done instead of those random fights?
And to add that, now with the new season 4 non-set items, you're doing just what you should by being in BGs and fighting the other faction, but your faction won't reward you from it since you haven't been participating in those random beatings enough. Yeah right.
And I do know there are leechers in BGs, but that can be solved. I know that there are imbalances in arena, those can be solved. But it just doesn't feel right the way it is now.

And some random ranting. As has been said, there are changes against team / pointsellers. But the changes really only affect teamselling, pointselling has been made a bit harder but by no means impossible.
Teamselling now is 2k+ rated team sold to someone, let's assume a 3v3 team. They start with their newly obtained team with 3x totally inexperienced players and play 10 games at 2k+ rating. They lose them all and end up with say, 1.8k rating. They gain points based on 1.8k rating and are happy.
Teamselling after changes is that they fight against 1500 rated teams, but for each win, they gain 1-4 or so rating (2k+ vs 15xx rating) For each loss, they lose 20+ rating. After 10 games, they might end up with like 1800 raing again due to heavy rating losses from lost games compared to minimal gains from winnings since they might actually win someone at 1500. The difference is still above 150 in personal vs team, so they get rewarded accordingly.

As for pointselling, it is harder due to personal / team rating difference restrictions, but it also causes the same fact that as in teamselling, the one who the points are being sold to brings the teams average personal rating lower, so that the team will be put against less geared ones. Then they just steamroll past these teams, win, get minimal rating increase, but it is still counted against the total of the team, which was already high and will keep on getting higher due to not having challenge at the lower ratings.

This also brings us to a new problem, which is using one or more person purposefully to do this. Get a team to 2k rating (or any rating that your team starts to have problems with), have one / two members leave it and join back. Result is that the team will be matched against less rated opponents, who will get beaten and the rating (both personal and team) keep on slowly rising without any challenge at all. If you seem to get too high geared opponents that might actually win you, have the person(s) leave again to bring the competition down. Once the one who hasn't left has gained his 2.2k without fighting any real game above 2k rating, have him leave and then join back to get the others to that rating. And this will be a serious problem, since as far as I can see, this is fully possible, and will happen.

So, that was a wall of text, pointless or not, nobody really cares, at least on Blizzard like they haven't cared this far.

In fact I question the capability of this PvP staff all together.

- The last BG we had (Eye of the Storm) was unpolished compared to the graphical design of the 3 standard BG's.

- Eye of the Storm didn't even have reputation (to get a title or something)

- ALL world PvP projects in TBC were a failure. No dynamic came from the PvP development team in these last 2 years.

- In the top 100 both in Europe and US there is no sight of a Holy Pala or Shaman in the 2vs2 teams, how can you GIVE gear with a system which is NOT equal to ALL classes.

bah

I leave for Conan, the game has lag, but I am just pissed off with these noobs.

Blizzard based this game around PVE so why don't you try it out instead of complaining about not getting easy stuff or not being able to get it while playing with your friends...gotta reward the hardcore players once in a while ya know.

It is not hard to get 1850-2k rating with gear that is 1 season lower (+other pieces) than the one you're playing in, so all you people who think they can't get gear now need to shape up, make a good combo in 2's or 3's and learn to play.

While you are removing S1-set, why don't you just remove us casual while you're at it.

Ouwww sorry, you're already doing it :/

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=5974053367&postId=59734681292&sid=1#3
Yeah thx for the copy/paste I guess.

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Q u o t e:
Will Season 3 non-set items stay available?

Yes, the Season 3 honor items will still be available for purchase without a rating requirement after Season 4 starts.

There will be two sets of "non-set" items once Season 4 begins. The Season 4 honor items (boot/belt/bracer/etc) some of which will require a rating, and the Season 3 items (boot/belt/bracer/etc) which still won't require any rating.

Just to sum up, when Season 4 begins:

Season 1 honor set: Removed

Season 2 arena set: Moved to honor, no rating requirement

Season 3 non-set honor items: Staying
Season 3 arena set: Arena rating and cost requirements lowered

Season 4 non-set honor items: Added with rating requirement
Season 4 arena set: Added to Arena with increased rating requirement

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So what would those who've already got the s3 non-set epics from battelgrounds go for until the expansion if they don't have an arena team? Some already have 75k honor ready and waiting and will get more without anything to spend it on after buying the s4 without rating. Seems like the most dedicated BG players will be loosing out. Not everyone thinks that pvp in a box is the most fun in wow.

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Q u o t e:
Will Season 3 non-set items stay available?

Yes, the Season 3 honor items will still be available for purchase without a rating requirement after Season 4 starts.

There will be two sets of "non-set" items once Season 4 begins. The Season 4 honor items (boot/belt/bracer/etc) some of which will require a rating, and the Season 3 items (boot/belt/bracer/etc) which still won't require any rating.

Just to sum up, when Season 4 begins:

Season 1 honor set: Removed

Season 2 arena set: Moved to honor, no rating requirement

Season 3 non-set honor items: Staying
Season 3 arena set: Arena rating and cost requirements lowered

Season 4 non-set honor items: Added with rating requirement
Season 4 arena set: Added to Arena with increased rating requirement

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This dont say me anything more then the first post that started up this thread .
Did u even READ what ppl have been typing in this 17 pages or ??

1:st Fix the classes . something u have failed so damn hard the last 3 years.
2:nd Do BG:s usefull for good gear . It is the BG:s imo that are PVP not a "setup for a arena kill whatever u see in the fastest possible way" It dont work with this horrible classerrors u have ingame atm.

/thank yooooou

PS: And yes Answer and read wht ppl are saying here then do a statement that dont answer very much. :DS

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Q u o t e:
* If a team does not enter an arena match that is starting they will lose points equal to the amount that would have been deducted if they had played and lost.

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Well that is good news tbh :P

Horrible change Blizz.
Many will leave arena, because there will be impossible too get more than 1600 rating for many players.
I find it hard myself too find good teams too play with, ppl go ppl leave. 2200 rating for s4 shoulders is like the 3 top team on each server getting it, very lame imo.
Gonna be a hell of a boring s4 for me atleast.

So much fail. I do feel sorry for rerollers.
To be able to get s4 items, they will have to spend alot of time (due to low rating) getting s3 items first.
Just to be able to get s4 items. Hmm.

I got two friends who are in s1-2 saving points and honor to get s4 items so the gear gap wont be that much. Guess they are stuck with that. Or they have to grind s3 first. Being behind all the way.

This will be hilarious, Druids, Warriors, Rogues in full s4, the rest of the classes struggling to get the weapon, nevermind the shoulders.

Least it will be clear who the OP classes are, they even get their own set now.

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Least it will be clear who the OP classes are, they even get their own set now.

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Sometimes wonder if arena is the ultimate balance tool Blizz uses to prepare adjustements for WotLK. :P

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Q u o t e:
The new Season 4 items will have the below personal and team arena rating requirements:

Head: 1700
Chest: 1600

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One more point to cancel my account.
BB to all.
I need to work for pay to play, but if i will work for arena rating i will no have a rial life.

Arena was my only 1 chance wearing good violet items. Becose i dont have time for 25ppl.
I never buy arena rating, only played for fun and AP whith my frends 10-15 games/week. Now it is over.

How can i make 2200 personal rating in 2v2 or 3v3 if my main char is PALADIN? It class loose to all other healers.

Whith this sistem only who played for gold will be glad. And prices for it will be grow up. And gold sellers will make more real money.

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Q u o t e:
HOW will people be able to sell points/ratings with this system? Please enlighten me.

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Teams 5v5 can up 2 not skilled pvp for big money, same whith 3v3.

It way not for me. I was never afk on bg and never bought AP and personal rating. I have gold (on account my husband 3 epic fly mounts) but it is not honest, it is not game. But so hard conditions also not for me, i need real life.
I whant to play for relax, for fun. I dont claim for sunwell epics, but always have PvP seasonal items. It was only 1 interest in game, from start new season slowly buy honor items, then arena set.

Ok mb i must leave after more then 2.5 years play, so old, so tired.