This is reffering to Blizzard mainly. Please make Premades as they were before 2.4 . Thing you did just slapped all the PvP guilds and PvPers. It is useless to make premades now, wait time is a joke and matchmaking system is ridiculous. Just put it back as it was that's all I am asking, it is not enough that I can't play arena as any other class but now you want me to lose all the fun playing in pugs where ally looses 80%? No thanks.

Now flame/spam/troll/assist w/e I don't realy care but 2.4 made this game crap at PvP. Just another reason for me to quit to be honest.




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I agree to 100%, all I've got to say tbh.

I would say thanks a lot to Blizz for this change. Premades go to Arena, bgs now have equal geared players on both sides, and that is fair.

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I would say thanks a lot to Blizz for this change. Premades go to Arena, bgs now have equal geared players on both sides, and that is fair.

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Premades are the only way to escape from HK farmers and idiots in general.

Well ...alternatives are:
You have gear, team and tactic - go Arena for S3-S4
You have gear and fun - go bg solo
You have gear team ..and time ) , than wait for equal opponents

Only HK farmers I've seen were premades against greens and blues...than no tactic required, as 2 players (imagine resto druid and warlock for example) in S3 can keep flag and kill complete opponent team in wsg for example.

Now it is just more fair, that's it.

I like the changes. Shorter queue times, more balanced games, more fun all round.

But then again I hadn't clicked the 'ezmode' option before, I guess it must be tough for those guys who were used to it.

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I would say thanks a lot to Blizz for this change. Premades go to Arena, bgs now have equal geared players on both sides, and that is fair.

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So you would like to thank blizzard for making it impossible to play with your friends?
Perhaps you don`t have any?
I have a few who play, they don`t have good gear or anything, but I play this game as a online game, Oh wait that`s what it is by the way ;)

I am sure you are sad when you lose an such, but you, as any other in here then resort to stupid messures.
"If I lose, other`s should have to wait 30 min to play"
Do you see something strange here?

I don`t mid equal gear on each side, I love meeting other pre-mades, BUT I do hate wating 30 min for ONE single game, that is not right.

So what will happen here? Pre-mades will meet pre-mades? I am sure you think that. But no. we will simply not make pre-mades anymore since Blizzard is making it so damn hard to actually play with your friends in this game. 30 min is simply not worth it.

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I like the changes. Shorter queue times, more balanced games, more fun all round.

But then again I hadn't clicked the 'ezmode' option before, I guess it must be tough for those guys who were used to it.

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oh yeah playing with your friends is totally ezmode.

This is basically a kick in the nuts for the whole PVP community just before 2 PVP orientated games come out in competition to WOW. WAR and age of conan neither look all that great but blizzard have really messed up this time.

I am not saying it was fair, it is unfair that players that enter a PvP guild end up having to go solo for the gear and thereby not having anything out of it. It's like making bad geared people in pve having to look for kara groups in /2 (not that on some servers this realy is being done and even for SSC and TK). What I am trying to make a point at is that PvP guilds now officially have status "social" considering premades. Only thing left for us is raid a city and/or go to Halaa (Ok thanks blizz for making some world pvp avalible).

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So you would like to thank blizzard for making it impossible to play with your friends?
Perhaps you don`t have any?
I have a few who play, they don`t have good gear or anything, but I play this game as a online game, Oh wait that`s what it is by the way ;)

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Well, if u r such a friendly person, go and help your friends to get better gear..or wait till they earn it, and go Arena 5v5..that's where you can show tactics and skills, which I am sure you have.

I am also thankful that instead of 1hr+ queue for av at Vindication, we now need to wait only 10-15 mins, and I am not whining about horde nerfs there ..it is just as fair.

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Well ...alternatives are:
You have gear, team and tactic - go Arena for S3-S4
You have gear and fun - go bg solo
You have gear team ..and time ) , than wait for equal opponents

Only HK farmers I've seen were premades against greens and blues...than no tactic required, as 2 players (imagine resto druid and warlock for example) in S3 can keep flag and kill complete opponent team in wsg for example.

Now it is just more fair, that's it.

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You dont have a clue. I play premade games in my probably soon to be disbanded pvp guild. We love getting other premades. However waiting 30 minutes to 2 hours to get one is a joke and is why this system hasnt been implemented before.

Everyone has the option to join as a premade, however the casual players in casual guilds will join solo with poor gear and get destroyed by the better geared and more experienced pugers. PvP guilds only have battlegrounds left to play together with friends and help alleviate the honor grind of having to play 70 matches to get 70 marks. There is no world pvp in outland even on pvp servers unless people search for it, and even then its likely youl get killed by some kind of guard because world pvp isn't allowed in a MMORPG.

PvP guilds will be destroyed by this change and im guessing alot of people who stuck around to arena and premade with their friends will be leaving wow in large numbers. i know a fair few people in several guilds who will be cancelling their subcription if this isn't changed. Arena is not the be all and end all of team play.

Easymode? no its not about easymode wins. More casual friendly bs from blizzard and its a comeplete and utter joke.

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Well, if u r such a friendly person, go and help your friends to get better gear..or wait till they earn it, and go Arena 5v5..that's where you can show tactics and skills, which I am sure you have.

I am also thankful that instead of 1hr+ queue for av at Vindication, we now need to wait only 10-15 mins, and I am not whining about horde nerfs there ..it is just as fair.

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most PVP communities consist of more than 5 people ? or do you only have 5 in game friends.

I premade with friends from other guilds who i wouldnt get to play with otherwise so why should i be punished for it?

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most PVP communities consist of more than 5 people ? or do you only have 5 in game friends.

I premade with friends from other guilds who i wouldnt get to play with otherwise so why should i be punished for it?

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Agreed. This is really a kick in the teeth for anyone wanting to play with their guild. Where is the multiplayer aspect of wow?

Arena will never be as balanced as battlegrounds in a premade sense. RNG bs doesnt affect the outcome of bgs as badly as it does in arena. All classes and specs are viable in bgs (prot pally or warrior as flag carrier, feral druids shadowpriests enhancement shammies with a full team of back up). Mass pvp is what this game is about. Either it gets fixed now or i gaurantee that youl lose all serious pvpers who arent in a top 50 arena team.

Nice work Blizz.
PRemades can fight against premades, pugs can fight against pugs.
Nice.

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PvP guilds will be destroyed by this change and im guessing alot of people who stuck around to arena and premade with their friends will be leaving wow in large numbers. .

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OMG )) Blizz has 10 mln subscribers..some leave, some join...they can take it ) Non-PVP players also want to participate in bgs, and pay same money as you are, it just wasn't normal when in AB, WSG and EoTS you had a 90% chance to play against premade. It just got too spoiled, and now it is more interesting again.

Looks to me like Blizz have just played the numbers game.

There's a lot more people want to do battlegrounds solo than want to do pemades, for a whole bunch of reasons. They were getting very poor games most of the time, either because they were meeting premades or because they were starting outnumbered.

An attempt has been made to address the problems experienced by that vast majority, at the expense of a small minority who now have to wait longer to meet equal opposition. That's you guys, the premaders.

The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, I guess you could say.

Unfortunately, given that this is the PvP forums, most of the posters here will be complaining about the change - that minority (the Premaders) will be very vocal.

I almost feel sorry for you guys, but it isn't the 'death of PvP'. If a minor change like this is enough to make you quit the game, quit the goddam game already, it's got to where you live, time to get away. However, if you're still enjoying the rest of the game, try PuGing for a bit, it's vastly improved, you don't keep meeting those dam premades all the time...

One thing I would like to see though is some recognition for those PVP guilds who do choose to tough it out and put up with the extra queue times to meet opposition of their level... Blizz do seem to have set up some separate system, why don't they acknowledge it openly - and maybe offer extra rewards for competing at that level?

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OMG )) Blizz has 10 mln subscribers..some leave, some join...they can take it ) Non-PVP players also want to participate in bgs, and pay same money as you are, it just wasn't normal when in AB, WSG and EoTS you had a 90% chance to play against premade. It just got too spoiled, and now it is more interesting again.

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90% chance of finding a premade? if this was the case then premades wouldnt be complaining about the changes because there would be enough opponents to get short premade vs premade queues. This is infact complete bull%*@@ and premades now face 30 minute or long queues.

Your lock has 7.5k hp come on do you honestly think you stand a chance against a good geared pug anyway? Your a free HK vs a pug or a premade so please stop complaining.

and to the guy above the change affects half premades just as much as the system will try and match you on gear to OTHER half premades as well so the queues will just be as long as with full premades.

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Premades are the only way to escape from HK farmers and idiots in general.

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FIXED

FIXED

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FIXED again.

I'd rather wait 30 mins and play a game with people that can actually breath and use a mouse and keyboard at the same time thanks.

Yeah..keep on whining )) And mind you own gear..lol )