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It is how you calculate when you are comparing a proc versus static stat. You find the average value for the proc for a duration that makes sense.

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No. Uptime for a proc is (1-(1-P/100)^n)*100, where "P" is the chance of proccing the effect and "n" is the number of attacks you get during the proc.

I calculated P above, for a 2.6 speed weapon, P = 4⅓.

To get n, I simply find out how many attacks I'll do during the 15 seconds that mongoose is active. floor(15/2.6) (note that this is just for your mainhand, do a seperate offhand calculation if you want) (floor is a mathmatical function which basically means "round down to the nearest integer") (this also does not include other haste effects, such as flurry or mongoose itself, so you would have to model them too and find the average, and fold it into your weapon speed). 15/2.6 = 5.77 attacks in 15 seconds, which you will round down to 5, since you can't really count .77 of an attack.

Plugging that into the uptime formula above, you get: (1-(1-(4⅓/100))^5)*100. There are some superfluous parantheses there to avoid confusion.

From that, you get 19.87% uptime. This means that, if mongoose gives you 120 agility, on average it will give you 120*0.1987 agility, or 23.85 agility.
Same with the haste, 2*0.1987 for the average haste, or 0.40% average haste.

This is all, of course, excluding yellow attacks. So the uptime will be higher if you take those into consideration. That is, however, beyond my scope.

Does mongoose have a higher ppm on 2H weapons then on 1H weapons? 27 agi (a bit higher with intant attacks) seems rather poor for a 2H compared to 70 AP (equivalent of 35 str).

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Does mongoose have a higher ppm on 2H weapons then on 1H weapons? 27 agi (a bit higher with intant attacks) seems rather poor for a 2H compared to 70 AP (equivalent of 35 str).

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Since 2 handers are inherently slower than 1 handers, the chance of them proccing an effect which is a PPM effect is higher. But only because they are inherently slower, there is no different formula for 1 handers or 2 handers. I wrote the formula above a bit, it is the same for all weapons.

Also, as far as I know, it is not affected by hastes. What I mean by this is if you have 106 passive haste rating on your gear, you will have 10% haste. This means that with a 2.6 speed weapon, it would become 2.6/1.1 = 2.36. However, PPM would still only take into consideration the 2.6 for it's proc chance calculations.

Mongoose in offhand. Wount the 3,6% more critt from procc make it better then 20 strenght in off hand? and you still gets 2% increased attack speed.

I aint good in head calculation, but in my head, it seems like mongoose in main hand and off hand will make you do more DPS then mongoose main hand and 20 strenght off hand. Since all that critt will make you able to keep flurry up 24/7 aswell. Or does the Mongoose procc so rarely in off hand that it isnt viable?

I myself i thinking of having dual mongoose when i gets merciless fist wep off hand (1,8 sec attack speed). But ofc, i wount do that if there is some good proofs out there that tells me that is worse then mongoose main hand and 20 strenght off hand.

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Mongoose in offhand. Wount the 3,6% more critt from procc make it better then 20 strenght in off hand? and you still gets 2% increased attack speed.

I aint good in head calculation, but in my head, it seems like mongoose in main hand and off hand will make you do more DPS then mongoose main hand and 20 strenght off hand. Since all that critt will make you able to keep flurry up 24/7 aswell. Or does the Mongoose procc so rarely in off hand that it isnt viable?

I myself i thinking of having dual mongoose when i gets merciless fist wep off hand (1,8 sec attack speed). But ofc, i wount do that if there is some good proofs out there that tells me that is worse then mongoose main hand and 20 strenght off hand.

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Someone may correct me if I'm wrong here (I'm neither a warrior nor a rogue) but I think offhands suffer a 50% penalty for proccing effects. That is also excluding the fact that it won't always be 3.6% crit and 2% haste, sometimes mongoose will not be active.

Mongoose grants an average increase of 30 agility, 1 PPM, 15 seconds, 120/4 = 30.

And that's not counting the ~2.9% chance to proc it off Devastate, assuming a 1.7 speed weapon.

o_O

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Someone may correct me if I'm wrong here (I'm neither a warrior nor a rogue) but I think offhands suffer a 50% penalty for proccing effects.

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You are wrong.

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Mongoose grants an average increase of 30 agility, 1 PPM, 15 seconds, 120/4 = 30.

And that's not counting the ~2.9% chance to proc it off Devastate, assuming a 1.7 speed weapon.

o_O

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Read the thread before you post.

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Since 2 handers are inherently slower than 1 handers, the chance of them proccing an effect which is a PPM effect is higher. But only because they are inherently slower, there is no different formula for 1 handers or 2 handers. I wrote the formula above a bit, it is the same for all weapons.

Also, as far as I know, it is not affected by hastes. What I mean by this is if you have 106 passive haste rating on your gear, you will have 10% haste. This means that with a 2.6 speed weapon, it would become 2.6/1.1 = 2.36. However, PPM would still only take into consideration the 2.6 for it's proc chance calculations.

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Ok, I knew that much :P. But since it's only 1 ppm on 2H as well, it will give an average of 25-ish agi on any weapon, including 2-handers. Or thats what i'm deriving from your explenation.

If that's the case, I don't understand why so many warriors walk around with mongoose on their 2H cause 70 AP > 25 agi by far.