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  • 0. ENHANCEMENT GUIDE! how to max your dps-output   25/05/2007 12:10:22 PDT
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How can you improve your dps as a Enchament shaman?
This is my small idea(Snorkle and AJ have also introduced this idea to shamans) i see so many noobs trying to figure out how to play as enhancement shaman, this thread is made because i wan't
shamans to understand how their class works, so that they can put effort into something that isn't invain.
So read this guide carefully before you start flaming or w/e, i have took every single small synergy there is in to my calculations.

Firstly your damage consists of:Windfury,stormstrike,shocks, haste and white damage.

WHITE DAMAGE:
The more you hit and crit the more you do white damage, this is a majority of shamans damage and should not be overlooked.
white damage supportting your other elements of damage output?
windfury tooltip says: "each HIT has a 20%chance of dealing..."
so as a simple conclusion the more you hit the more you get windfury attacks
you need aproximately 24% of hit in order not miss whit white attacks against bosses, so 9%from talents and 15%from gear.
Crit rate: Should be 25% this is because of FLURRY=30%attacks speed for your next 3swings so let's do some theorycraft:
1st hit crits for xxx, you gain flurry, 2nd hit hits for xxx, 3rd hit hits for xxx, 4th hit hits for xxx, flurry fades->
5th hit crits for xxx, you gain flurry,and the pattern copies itself------------->


STORMSTRIKE:
The slower weapons the bigger hits, everybody get's this


+HASTE EFFECTS:
Are nice ofcourse but don't get too much or your damage output gets negative modifier, evethough it don't look like it.
So why is that? Answer is windfury...


WINDFURY:
Has a 3second cooldown, in the current patch you can only use rank5/rank5 in order to reach out for the max dps.
Shamans are crying because in last patch it was possible to use rank5/rank4 because the 3second counter didn't work for different ranks.
SO the "dream speed" for weapons are 1.5 so that you can proc windfurys from your mainhand, this is because offhand windfurys are weaker,
than from mainhand eventho this should have been fixed.
How to reach the dream speed?
let's assumpt every selfrespecting melee shaman uses gladiator weapons(the slow ones)
those have 2.6speed so flurry gives 30%more speed -> the speed is 1.8after FLURRY
let's add the tasty trinket from Gruul, http://www.thottbot.com/i28830 this gives you a about 30%more speed, so when combined with flurry
your attacks speed drops in to 1.04 AND THAT IS FAR TOO FAST! and this is because indeed you do get more white damage,
but you get less windfury attacks. This has been mathematically proven million times before, so i'm not going to do that.
But now you should see that too much +HASTE has a negative effect to your dps as enhancement shaman.
Also notice that the more+hit you have the more windfurys you also have, but do remember the 3second rule!


SHOCKS AND FLAMETONGUE WEAPON:
Sad but true there are no way to improve the damage from your shocks instead of a crappy pvptotem http://www.thottbot.com/i27947
and the Concussion talent.
Why not flametongue weapon?
how are you going to improve your dps by any means? When you use windfury you benefit from your gear(the more AP,
the bigger windfury attacks and white hits are).THERE ARE NO MAILGEAR:that gives you +hit,+crit,ap,+spelldamage,+spellcrit,+spellhit
So at certain gear level flametongue might be as good dps as windfury, BUT you can only upgrade your windfury damage with gear,
this makes Flametongue weapon lesser.

SUGGESTION FOR TALENT BUILD:
http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/basics/talents/shaman/talents.html?0500000000000000000050052021050213153115105203300000000000000
Atleast in my SSC/THE EYE raiding guild, melee is screaming for windfurytotem! so this build improves it for 30% you really can feel the difference.
Concussion is there just to max out the damage output, BUT it's not necessary you can switch this for Convection and mental quickness.


THE GEAR(just to prove that every Karazhan raiding shaman can reach for awesome dps gear)
head: http://www.thottbot.com/i29040 with glyph of ferocity, swift skyfire diamond and bright living ruby
neck: http://www.thottbot.com/i28509
shoulder: http://www.thottbot.com/i27713 let's just assumpt your scryer(meaningless but makes the calculations more accurate)2xbright living ruby
back: http://www.thottbot.com/i28672 with +15agi enchant
chest: http://www.thottbot.com/i28599 with +6all stats
wrist: http://www.thottbot.com/i28454 with assault
weapons: slow gladiator 1handers both with mongoose
totem: http://www.thottbot.com/i27815
hands: http://www.thottbot.com/i29039 with +15str
waist: http://www.thottbot.com/i28656
legs: http://www.thottbot.com/i27936 because of the 2part setbonus! nethercobra leg armor
feet: http://www.thottbot.com/i28746 any enchant and 1x crit gem, 1x hit gem (swift skyfire reguirements)
ring1: http://www.thottbot.com/i28757
ting2: http://www.thottbot.com/i29283
trinket1: http://www.thottbot.com/i29383
trinket2: http://www.thottbot.com/i28034

THIS GEAR IS NOT A ULTIMATE RULE I HAVE SELECTED IT TO WORK ONLY AS AN EXAMPLE THAT IT HAS EVERYTHING YOU NEED!

this is because you will have: 246+hit/16= 15.375% + you have 9%hit from talents= 24%hit YOU WON'T MISS AGAINST BOSSES WITH WHITE ATTACKS!
(Also read the patch notes about glansing hit changes)[read white damage] "as a personal note don't overlook +hit, this mistake number one most of the noobs make!"

You will also have: about 15% crit from gear, +5crit%from base charactersheet and +5%from talents, YOU WILL HAVE FLURRY ON WHOLE THE TIME
[read white damage]

This selection of items also gives you: 1168AP and your base ap is something like 400 or 500, let's assumpt it is 400, you would have 1568AP

Because of the mongoose procs(they usually proc so that you have both on at the same time) and flurry your attack speed would be 2.6-32%= 1.7
This is almost as good as it can be, but not under 1.5[read windfury]
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So no misses with white attacks against bosses->
You will have flurry and unleashed rage on constantly->
the raid benefits from you because of the improved windfury totem and improved str of earth totem(see the cyclone 2part set bonus)->
let's do some math, group consisting you, fury warrior, feral druid, and lets say 2rogues
1568AP + warriors improved battle shout 381 + your str-totem 113(shamans get 2ap from 1 strenght so 226) + feral druids leader of the pack 3crit
and a flask of relentless assault gives you

= 2294ap! (this can be even more if you have both mongooses,hourglass proc and bloodlust brooch use effect on)
so your attacks and windfurys are alot bigger than they are normally and you won't miss with whites :P


Now discuss! and remember if you post saying flametongue is better i already proved you wrong :D

[ Post edited by Shamonsteri ]

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  • 1. Re: ENHANCEMENT GUIDE! how to max your dps-ou   25/05/2007 12:28:33 PDT
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Finally a post that makes sense on this forum. So freakin` tired of all the whine posts!

Thanks for a great guide, it pretty much sums up al the things that some people (read whiners) need to learn...
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  • 3. Re: ENHANCEMENT GUIDE! how to max your dps-ou   25/05/2007 14:12:36 PDT
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This... This is a very good listing man...

Nice gear selection choice, it gives some people a pointer on where to aim for.

The rest of the post is, well, nothing new, you know that :p but the list is very nice.

I'm getting used to the paladin subsection of the forum, it's full of "how to get xxx and yyy unbuffed pre-kara" threads that really help understand the class and how it works...

This one isn't pre-kara, but it works well enough :)

Maybe someone should do a "how to get 1200 ap 25% crit 17% hit unbuffed pre-kara" or something :P

Snorkle

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  • 5. Re: ENHANCEMENT GUIDE! how to max your dps-ou   25/05/2007 15:34:36 PDT
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Disagree on changing the trink because u will loose the dps u get from the trinks sugested.

All in all very nice guied alhough i would say that enhancement shamans do not use shocks in raid due to no agro reducing abilities of our class. As was said by AJ in one post 500dmg from shock=500 threat points BUT 500 dmg from mele atacks=500-15%threat points=425 due to the tallent that we have. This calculation shows that there is no bonus in dps in improving damage from shocks and that frees 5 talent points from elemental tree which u could spend elsewhere, for example in improving your range of totems as it is a must in raids and lowering down cost of totems and all instant casts as a whole(stormstrike counts as instant cast so it influinces it aswell)

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  • 6. Re: ENHANCEMENT GUIDE! how to max your dps-ou   25/05/2007 17:06:49 PDT
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There's a better way to max your damage output!

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  • 8. Re: ENHANCEMENT GUIDE! how to max your dps-ou   25/05/2007 17:34:13 PDT
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Q u o t e:
Problem is that DW got a 19 % Base miss chance (since patch 1.8). Getting the amount of hit you mentioned is wasted stats.

And some other numbers in the calculations is also wrong.




Check my gear.

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  • 9. Re: ENHANCEMENT GUIDE! how to max your dps-ou   25/05/2007 19:18:20 PDT
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Whats the deal with that build you posted? i wouldn't use that if you paid me =P

id rather use this one : http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/basics/talents/shaman/talents.html?0000000000000000000050052021550013053115105205301000000000000

if your gonna use inc totem buffs then at least have them 30yrd's radius so ya can move.

[ Post edited by Fujimaro ]


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http://www.wowitemcreator.com/view/37547/Shamans_Helm_of_the_Twin_Planet.html
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  • 11. Re: ENHANCEMENT GUIDE! how to max your dps-ou   25/05/2007 22:07:10 PDT
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Great read :) But it kind of sucks that bloodlust / heroism lowers your own damage becuase you go under 1.5 attack speed : / I know still better becuase the damage output on others but still makes no since at all.

Put the "Fury" back in "WindFury"!
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  • 12. Re: ENHANCEMENT GUIDE! how to max your dps-ou   26/05/2007 02:45:44 PDT
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good guide my man

bump for justice,

after 110 days played as an enhancement shaman im really feeling beaten down with this latest nerf, especially when i was topping dmg meters after putting time and effort into my gear and enchants, to drop 5 places cause of blizz aint fun... however we can get through this and the devs and come through for us before (just takes a little time).

check my armoury im pretty close to this gear, some stuff better but still missing bloodlust by 15 badges
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  • 13. Re: ENHANCEMENT GUIDE! how to max your dps-ou   26/05/2007 02:56:55 PDT
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Q u o t e:

feral druids leader of the pack 3crit



its 5% to crit ^^
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  • 14. Re: ENHANCEMENT GUIDE! how to max your dps-ou   26/05/2007 03:23:51 PDT
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Q u o t e:

head: http://www.thottbot.com/i29040 with glyph of ferocity, swift skyfire diamond and bright living ruby
calculations more accurate)2xbright living ruby
wrist: http://www.thottbot.com/i28454 with assault



Good guide for the clueless shamans out there, BUT why on earth would you chose ap gems and ap enchant over strenght? ofc 8str = 16ap, but you'll miss out on the bonus of Blessing of Kings. (have to admit ive used the ap gems myself, but i was drunk/it wasnt me/my monitor wasnt turned on/i was clueless
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  • 15. Re: ENHANCEMENT GUIDE! how to max your dps-ou   26/05/2007 03:47:24 PDT
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now all you have to do is make all the whiners read and understand this ;)
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  • 16. Re: ENHANCEMENT GUIDE! how to max your dps-ou   26/05/2007 05:47:20 PDT
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I'm going to look like a clown in that lot :P

Buff shammys!
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  • 17. Re: ENHANCEMENT GUIDE! how to max your dps-ou   26/05/2007 05:49:54 PDT
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2,6 weapon + flurry gives 2,00 speed mate.
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  • 18. Re: ENHANCEMENT GUIDE! how to max your dps-ou   26/05/2007 05:58:43 PDT
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I agree its a nice post tho lil miss informative since poster has no idea on how flurry/bloodlust/haste works (funny they make guides when they don't know what they are writing about)

Flurry doesn't really give you 30% more attack speed, in reality its 23% but in the same time interval its 30% more attacks and same goes to bloodlust
Example:
2.7speed weapon with flurry should be 1.89speed but its really 2.08speed which is 23% faster but gives 30% more attacks in 10 sec period and if it was 30% faster it would be 43% more attacks in given period of time

and they don't stack like poster said
"those have 2.6speed so flurry gives 30%more speed -> the speed is 1.8after FLURRY
let's add the tasty trinket from Gruul, http://www.thottbot.com/i28830 this gives you a about 30%more speed, so when combined with flurry your attacks speed drops in to 1.04 AND THAT IS FAR TOO FAST!"

Correct would be 2.0 after flurry and after proc 1.54 which imo is guite good attack happens 0.08sec after wf cooldown has passed, make your own mind if its good or not and with one mongoose proc its just over 1.5sec

Hope this clears things a bit

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  • 19. Re: ENHANCEMENT GUIDE! how to max your dps-ou   26/05/2007 07:30:20 PDT
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I'm still not convinced that mongoose is the best weapon enchant. Are there any calculations around the subject?

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