thats good, but why are we playing beta?

And what about the trash in Magtheridons Lair? We're chewing anti-depression pills in order to cope with clearing them after every few attempts.

You forgot Karazhan.

Good thing that you are finally doing something against this trash menace.

However when it comes to Magtheridon trash, I quite enjoy them, you just need to use the right tactic and a raid group that ain't sleeping. However the respawntimer could have been shorter!

Serpentshrine is just... no words

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You forgot Karazhan.

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Please don't force casual average players to reclear trash in the entry level raid instance...

That's all well and good, but what about dealing with trash re-spawns in Karazhan, the instance which has received the most complaints in this regard.

Blizzard posters rattle on about the trash re-spawns being a challenge, but I whole-heartedly disagree with this, I just see it as a time-sink. The trash mobs in these instances are, on the whole, not a challenge to pass through once, but it is of course reasonable to expect to have to clear some lackeys on the way to a boss. However, why on EARTH is Blizzard actively making their game boring for people by forcing them to clear trash multiple times in an evening? It demands nothing of the players except hitting a couple of buttons, and paying a modest amount of attention.

Yes, I'll agree that the challenge is "Killing a boss before you have to suffer for another 20-60 minutes of boredom (on a game, of which the purpose is leisure and enjoyment)", but when there is a degree of luck involved in a number of boss fights, some more than others, there is always the chance that, no matter how good you get at a particular fight, you may end up clearing more trash, and it wasn't really in the raid's hands whether this occurred or not.

In short, if you are genuinely set on having trash re-spawn in instances, against the will of the community, and apparently solely as a speed-bump so new content doesn't have to be developed too quickly, then compromise with people and significantly reduce the trash re-spawn timers in ALL end-game raid content - you had found a nice balance with Naxx, so why go back on that positive progress?

For Magtheridon one of the nicest changes you could make would simply be to stop the damn adds coming to join the fun when you're fighting Mag himself, either stop the respawn while the fight is in progress or just make them not add. Same thing ref respawning adds which join the fight in Gruul's Lair and probably most other places as it seems to be a recurring one.

Karazhan isn't that bad nowadays as we generally 1 shot most bosses but when you're first learning it the trash is a nightmare especially the Pre-Aran trash given the difficulty of the fight and the sheer volume of the trash. Curator trash is a bit too fast as well and again shouldn't respawn when the fights in progress.

Aeus, can you tell us if these changes are planned for hotfixes or for the next content patch? I know it is close to impossible to give an actual time table but this would at least give us an idea. Hotfixes could be done relativally fast, 2.1isn't even on the PTR yet.

Trash in Karazhan is just like it should be, to prevent it to be done in less than 2 hours. (Okey, most likely some have done that already)

Magtheridon trash is just fine aswell in my opinion, it's only four pulls.

In SSC, the amount of trash is fine before Hydross too, it's just the respawn timer that sucks. After Hydross, it just gets ridicilous if you don't abuse pipe-jumping and waterwalking.

Haven't entered TK myself but apparently the trash before Void Reaver takes over 2 hours to clear the first time you're there. Enough said, I guess. :c

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We're going to be making some changes to trash mobs in Serpentshrine Cavern and Tempest Keep [...]

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I hope by trash you mean "Equally interesting yet non-epic-dropping non-bosses" ^_^

(Quoting Tigole here)

10% of the population are pleased with this post 90% will be pleased in 3 months when karazhan and magthed trash are fixed.

When..?

in 2.1 in 2 months?

[e] Mag trash is fine, it only respawns to quickly, 10 min clear 50 mins of attempts. It's not all that bad really.

Another example on the "extensive testing" done prior to TBC launch? :D

When?

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When?

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And what about the trash in Magtheridons Lair? We're chewing anti-depression pills in order to cope with clearing them after every few attempts.

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because it's working as intended. 30min of trash clearing 1.5h of boss clearing is a decent ratio. compare that to ssc where trash never stop spawning.

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You forgot Karazhan.

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that's also working as intended.

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When?

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thats good, but why are we playing beta?

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Because they obviously had the end of the financial quarter coming up and needed the sales.

All im going to say is I know other computer games companies who have put product release back again and again because they wanted to release something spectaculor and as bug free as possible.