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Vaneras

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0. 16/03 Loot rarity and loot value 16/03/2007 08:40:36 PDT

We have already started working on balancing the equipment in game a bit more with patch 2.0.10 with the corrections made to socketing.

There were some items that had to be adjusted to more appropriate values which meant some were adjusted down and others were adjusted up. For example, items that felt too powerful have been readjusted to more appropriate levels. Others that are under have been taken a look at as well and given a boost.

Concerning socketed items, many of them that were not functioning as they should have been modified.

Furthermore, colour = rarity and not value and that is still true, however we also know that generally speaking the more rare an item, sometimes the higher value. That isn't the rule necessarily since we've all seen the purple item that no one wants to take. Does that mean that item isn't worthwhile to someone else? No. It just means different items have different value based on what a particular player wants out of their build.

All loot is being looked at and adjusted and primarily it's about risk vs. reward more than it is colour. If the team feels an area has a significant amount of risk, they want to make sure that the reward is commensurate to go with it. Most people just tend to associate a value with colour because in general rarer items do in fact tend to have better stats or at least there is an expectation for that to be true.

This is going to be something we plan to continue working on over time in upcoming patches as we evaluate items that may not be living up to what we wanted them to be or are more powerful than originally intended. We understand that people don't want to invest time in a dungeon only to get something that isn't equal to the work that goes into getting it, and that people don't want to invest in gear that could change and be less than they wanted

Please note that betas will never cover every possible aspect of a new addition to the game. It gives a good starting picture. A live world however can often show the full story of what is and isn't working.

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2. Re: 16/03 Loot rarity and loot value 16/03/2007 08:43:16 PDT

Very nice, glad to hear of this =).

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Grillz

3. Re: 16/03 Loot rarity and loot value 16/03/2007 08:48:54 PDT

an epic trinket dropped off Romulus in the Kara Opera event last night, and it must surely rank amongst one of the worst epics ever concieved. no bonus, just a chance on hit to apply a 300 nature damage.

epic. raid drop.

OMG MS CRIT ME FOR 9K NREF

Kalistra

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4. Re: 16/03 Loot rarity and loot value 16/03/2007 08:50:33 PDT

Will items that maybe bugged also be looked at. The Masquarde Ball Gown (R&J loot in Kara) which I'm using hardly ever seems to Proc, in a 3hour Kara run it procced once...

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Crazygamer

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5. Re: 16/03 Loot rarity and loot value 16/03/2007 09:15:12 PDT

Isn't this post like a week old?

Is something keeping you guys occupied atm? Interviewing applicants for the CM opening or some such?

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Jarnis

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6. Re: 16/03 Loot rarity and loot value 16/03/2007 09:26:35 PDT

Quick translation:
"If an epic drops, and you think it sucks, you should probably still hold to it, if it's for your class - it may get an upgrade in the future"

Probably applies mostly to stuff like T4, some Karazhan crap items and maybe some heroic 5man things(?)

I know I'm storing all marginal items instead of sharding them. Our team usually shards only epics that nobody genuinely can use (say, hunter items if there is no hunter in a group). Probably a good idea considering this post.

Atarax

8. Re: 16/03 Loot rarity and loot value 16/03/2007 09:42:37 PDT

Ahhh so I see, its kinda like the Shade of Aran boss that is a LOT tought and more risky than the Chess event - but yields WORSE loot?
Brilliant work there, really.

Or the maiden of virtue Boots of Foretelling, which require a raid, cleaning some pretty tough trashmobs, a pretty tough boss to get boots worse than a quest reward to kill much easier boss in a 5-man instance?

The logic is overwhelming.

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9. Re: 16/03 Loot rarity and loot value 16/03/2007 09:46:17 PDT

Good to see this being addressed.

Karazhan loot is currently a paradox. To defeat the bosses you need gear almost as good as it gives you,and that can't be right for an instance that locks you for a week and is a prerequisite for further raiding.

Irushian

< Concordium >

10. Re: 16/03 Loot rarity and loot value 16/03/2007 09:47:25 PDT

I heard crafted items were bring nerfed? In my opinion they are fine and Karazhan loot is fine for the majority of it, being as it's only a UBRS style instance, in which should really only offer slight upgrades over blues from other 70 instances.

Eldariel

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11. Re: 16/03 Loot rarity and loot value 16/03/2007 09:49:25 PDT

Great glad to hear it :-)

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Angeluk

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12. Re: 16/03 Loot rarity and loot value 16/03/2007 10:02:18 PDT

Do not nerf crafted items!!

or i will find u and spank u:P

Shadowfangs

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13. Re: 16/03 Loot rarity and loot value 16/03/2007 10:06:58 PDT

Q u o t e:
I heard crafted items were bring nerfed? In my opinion they are fine and Karazhan loot is fine for the majority of it, being as it's only a UBRS style instance, in which should really only offer slight upgrades over blues from other 70 instances.

Compare bosses in Karazhan and bosses in UBRS. (at time when both were released).

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14. Re: 16/03 Loot rarity and loot value 16/03/2007 10:54:12 PDT

UBRS dropped lvl55 blues, Karazhan 70 epics. Surely you get the difference?

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Turnips

15. Re: 16/03 Loot rarity and loot value 16/03/2007 11:29:10 PDT

Q u o t e:

Compare bosses in Karazhan and bosses in UBRS. (at time when both were released).

Kara is just something to do while we wait for the real end game stuff just like what URBS ect was till we got MC.

so in a way it is just another UBRS but more bosses and purple loot.

Shonen

< The Nightfall >

18. Re: 16/03 Loot rarity and loot value 16/03/2007 12:05:55 PDT

Q u o t e:

All loot is being looked at and adjusted and primarily it's about risk vs. reward more than it is colour. If the team feels an area has a significant amount of risk, they want to make sure that the reward is commensurate to go with it. Most people just tend to associate a value with colour because in general rarer items do in fact tend to have better stats or at least there is an expectation for that to be true.

I hope this means that items looted from heroic dungeons will be retuned to be better than the ones you loot from non-heroic instances, as for example some D3 set pieces are set to drop in non-heroic instances and some are not (which does not make sense as for example Heroic Underbog or Durnholde are significally harder than non-heroic Shattered Halls, yet they both reward you parts of Battlegear of Desolation with every part being on the same item level). Basically people do Heroics for reputation (=epics), not for loots, because they usually provide nothing better than the old ones do, especially if the player has raided Kara as well.

A suitable solution would be to make Desolation set to drop only in heroic dungeons (as well as Doomplate Battlegear and Mana-Etched Regalia) and then retune them to have higher item level (and thus higher stats) for example Beast Lord Cuirass. It would be a good idea to make like two out of five parts to be epic to give their owners some status (look I completed Heroic Morass 12 times and finally the hard work paid out! ;P ). The set bonuses on these 3 sets are awesome, the set pieces themselves just need a boost.

Last words, the epic items on Heroic Difficulties should have higher droprate, this reminds me of ZG at the moment and believe me, it's not a good thing.

Brigantius

< Rising Phoenix >

19. Re: 16/03 Loot rarity and loot value 16/03/2007 12:16:00 PDT

So a purple item does not mean the item is neccessarily better quality?

Ok I can buy that but explain this...

The level 70 Epic (15 badge of Justice turned in at Shattrah) -
Totem of Pulsing Earth
http://www.thottbot.com/?i=55066

Compare that with the following...

The Level 63 green quest reward (From Hellfire Peninsular) -
Totem of Lightning
http://www.thottbot.com/?i=56468

Both totems are worthless (10 or 15 mana off a spell costing 300+ mana?, lol) and that the epic one is worse is just sheer comedy!

[ Post edited by Brigantius ]

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