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  • Azjol-Nerub
  • 260. Re: Cheat death reducing dmg by 99%   24/02/2008 16:06:14 PST
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Just admit it, nasty alt, that it's unfair and you don't want it to get fixed. :P
If you mean me. As i said it needs to get fixed. But not "reverted" besause it will cause CD not to proc at all (read the OP) - like it doesn't fail someimes even now.

But they need to fix vanish/stealth as well - read sticky above this one.
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  • Zenedar
  • 261. Re: Cheat death reducing dmg by 99%   24/02/2008 19:16:34 PST
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Luckily though, I don't think the Vanish bug is that much of a pain in the ass in arenas, atleast IN MOST CASES, it works


Now imagine your core abiities were like that. MS, intercept etc. Would you be happy with those working 'in most cases'?

No, you'd whine like a little girl about the times when they didnt. It's the same thing, seen from a non-biased pov.
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  • 262. Re: Cheat death reducing dmg by 99%   24/02/2008 21:37:27 PST
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wow i mean you are so annoying. The bad stuff for you are happening all the time while the bad stuff for the others are rare.

Seriously play a rogue and see the difference yourself. Or you can just search this forum and see how "rare" vanish bug is.

About the screenshot with CD not proc' at all. I was the flag carrier and none attacked me until i entered horde base and after some time holding the flag they decided to eventually try and get the flag back so they atacked and killed me in 10 sec.


I am sorry, but I feel in the must to agree with our fellow warrior here. The hits I deal to a rogue with Cheat Death on that causes 90% less damage rather than 99%, may be perfectly counted with the fingers of my right hand. And it's not only me, but it happens the same to my warrior partner.

And about the Vanish bug, I still have to see it happening in PvP in front of my eyes, and as you can see by my life time Honorable Kills, I've done a lot of PvP. Not saying it doesn't exist; I'm sure it does if you all afirm it, but just saying is almost unexistant from my experience.


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Now imagine your core abiities were like that. MS, intercept etc. Would you be happy with those working 'in most cases'?

No, you'd whine like a little girl about the times when they didnt. It's the same thing, seen from a non-biased pov.


You are talking about two abilities that may be, one of them parried and dodged (maybe blocked, but we're talking about pvp here, no offense), and the other one, at least the stun effect resisted (talents and meta sockets). A warrior against a rogue can see his MS evoided more than twice in a row, which is not that big deal damage wise (overpower), but it's gamebreaking because of the healing penalization debuff not being applied.

Not good comparison, I guess. Maybe you should compare it with Divine Shield, then I'd accept it.

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  • Azjol-Nerub
  • 263. Re: Cheat death reducing dmg by 99%   25/02/2008 06:55:44 PST
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I am sorry, but I feel in the must to agree with our fellow warrior here. The hits I deal to a rogue with Cheat Death on that causes 90% less damage rather than 99%, may be perfectly counted with the fingers of my right hand. And it's not only me, but it happens the same to my warrior partner.

And about the Vanish bug, I still have to see it happening in PvP in front of my eyes, and as you can see by my life time Honorable Kills, I've done a lot of PvP. Not saying it doesn't exist; I'm sure it does if you all afirm it, but just saying is almost unexistant from my experience.



You are talking about two abilities that may be, one of them parried and dodged (maybe blocked, but we're talking about pvp here, no offense), and the other one, at least the stun effect resisted (talents and meta sockets). A warrior against a rogue can see his MS evoided more than twice in a row, which is not that big deal damage wise (overpower), but it's gamebreaking because of the healing penalization debuff not being applied.

Not good comparison, I guess. Maybe you should compare it with Divine Shield, then I'd accept it.
Well thats the problem , when vanish fails you can't realize it unless you are the rogue, since it fails=no stealth=you don't know the rogue used it :P thats why i insist, play a rogue and see this bug yourself. This bug is annoying in arena, i had countless times where i lost a game because of vanish, i sprint - take some distance from melee ppl hitting me - vanish fails and now not only i am far a way from my targets but i also have their mage/lock/druid/whatever control me and keep me in distance.

I am all for CD to be fixed but they should not forget to fix vanish (which is ingame for 2 years now - and we had CD bugged for longer time than this fix here). Do you think all these posts on this forum are imaginary? Do you think the sticky above is an illusion? But nooooo most people just care for their selves only.
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  • 264. Re: Cheat death reducing dmg by 99%   25/02/2008 08:35:09 PST
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Now imagine your core abiities were like that. MS, intercept etc. Would you be happy with those working 'in most cases'?

No, you'd whine like a little girl about the times when they didnt. It's the same thing, seen from a non-biased pov.


Just a quick note..

Intercept IS bugged...along with Charge...
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  • 265. Re: Cheat death reducing dmg by 99%   26/02/2008 00:50:23 PST
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Charge works around mountains and posts :P kinda ruins the idea of kiting someone around a post thus this gives warriors a big edge in arena and probably a good class to play :P Their numbers are high in most Bracekts because of this very sole reason - you can not shadowstep nor blink behind corners

frost mages do not die of natural causes, they die because of shadowstep rogues!
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  • 266. Re: Cheat death reducing dmg by 99%   27/02/2008 10:35:55 PST
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Change the skill so it's always 99%. Problem solved.
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  • Dragonblight
  • 267. Re: Cheat death reducing dmg by 99%   27/02/2008 16:12:34 PST
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hehe no offense to all other classes but rogues are one of the mos tpowerful class in game
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  • Dragonblight
  • 268. Re: Cheat death reducing dmg by 99%   27/02/2008 16:14:05 PST
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I dont use vanish much anymore
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  • Boulderfist
  • 269. Re: Cheat death reducing dmg by 99%   27/02/2008 17:46:25 PST
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In all fairness, this issue has to be fixed. Rogues are by far the most powerful class in the game at the moment, a class that works in all three brackets, can't be kited, have ms debuff, shield wall. Rogues were good before, now it's just stupid. There is no way to kill them, if they know how to play. Please please please fix this, because this really needs fixing...


shut up cow

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  • Bloodscalp
  • 270. Re: Cheat death reducing dmg by 99%   28/02/2008 09:59:17 PST
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hehe no offense to all other classes but rogues are one of the mos tpowerful class in game


At 44 their quite powerful yes, thats why you see a lot of rogue twinks, similar to hunters.


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In WoW, it's important to remember that anyone that has accomplished more than you is a no lifer and anyone who has accomplished less than you is a noob.
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  • Doomhammer
  • 271. Re: Cheat death reducing dmg by 99%   28/02/2008 10:39:06 PST
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Its a bug, and its supposed to be fixed. Simple as that. But fixing bugs like this aint alway easy, since you would have to go through thousands of lines of coding, you try and find the error there. What was said was that it is admitted that there is a bug, not that they have found the reason for it.

Im not a cheat death rogue, never have been, never will be. There are some viable points of CD being overpowered, but really, i think you should come up with some better arguements than you getting killed in PvP because the rogue has a special talent. That would be the same as me claiming that MS should be removed because it kills me. And seriously, if you got a rogue down to 1% why cant you do it again?

Why do all us hunters have to be the victim of a moonfire-spam !? why cant we just kill those freaking birds !?
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  • Sporeggar
  • 272. Re: Cheat death reducing dmg by 99%   28/02/2008 16:47:08 PST
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i just use vanish to lose agro from ebil warriors nowadays.

Roses are red
Violets are blue
Rogues are OP
But so are you.
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  • Shattered Halls
  • 273. Re: Cheat death reducing dmg by 99%   29/02/2008 02:05:12 PST
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If this gets fixed,then they should fix the vanish bug aswell after 2 years of prommising
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  • 274. Re: Cheat death reducing dmg by 99%   29/02/2008 09:54:02 PST
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This bug will be fixed in the next patch. Cheat Death should then always reduce damage by 90%, not 99%.

Infinite Loop; see Loop, Infinite

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  • 276. Re: Cheat death reducing dmg by 99%   29/02/2008 10:12:09 PST
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What a surprise that the "unfixable" bug can now be fixed afterall. Well, not the first time Blizz lacks the spine to stand behind their words and bend under the pressure of the masses, now go put on your skirts.

/golfclap
Moron.

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We have looked into this issue. In order to assure that a worse bug (which caused cheat death to not work at all) did not occur under specific timing circumstances, Cheat Death will sometimes reduce damage by 99% instead of 90%.

Although technically this is a bug, it is not one that we can currently fix.


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Although technically this is a bug, it is not one that we can currently fix.


Q u o t e:
it is not one that we can currently fix.


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currently fix.


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currently

[ Post edited by Jizzymandu ]


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  • Scarshield Legion
  • 277. Re: Cheat death reducing dmg by 99%   29/02/2008 10:14:11 PST
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What a surprise that the "unfixable" bug can now be fixed afterall. Well, not the first time Blizz lacks the spine to stand behind their words and bend under the pressure of the masses, now go put on your skirts.

/golfclap


you just won the noob award of this month. it was a bug and they found a way to fix it, that's a good thing in my opinion.

and as I've said before, when it procced 99% it wasn't overpowered or anything and anyone who whined about it had L2P issues.. and heck, if you ask me it could've even given complete immunity and it would still be fine, but it still was a bug and it is good that they fixed it.

good job I say.
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  • Outland
  • 278. Re: Cheat death reducing dmg by 99%   29/02/2008 10:54:43 PST
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Awsome, vanish and cheat death fixed in 2.4 :D

oh wait...

There will always be a bigger fish.
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  • Ahn'Qiraj
  • 279. Re: Cheat death reducing dmg by 99%   29/02/2008 11:16:36 PST
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This bug will be fixed in the next patch. Cheat Death should then always reduce damage by 90%, not 99%.
Vanish too ? /rolleyes
/spit

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