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This is an everquest forum a few years back. And i am reading through it as it is on the pally wiki page. I read this post and just had to paste it here.

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"I'm an equal opportunity attacker. I attack all classes that grossly overstep their bounds and trample the Warrior class. You may have missed some of my 'greatest hits' - you being a powerful and all-knowing 56 levels of casual game player and all." - Furor Planedefiler

This man is now one of the most important content designers in WoW. Admitedly i dont know the whole story about this but here is what i have gathered so far.



He was a warrior and the leader of the pre-eminent guild on everquest and an elitist. He scorned any kind of hybrid class and fully believed they were inferior to pure classes. When other classes came close to viability to that of a warrior he organised server crashes, and convinced everquests game designers to nerf them (somehow?) and was banned from over 50 EQ fan forums.

Some time later EQ designers began listening to furor more often, they (apparently) flew him to california to talk with him about EQ matters. (Missing segment - how he got from assisting EQ to design of WoW)

As far as i am aware furor is the quest designer (or dungeon designer it is hard to seperate his infamy from tigoles) and creates the quest lines, and quest rewards for the game.

His disdain for casual players and hybrid classes are apparent, and his experience in game development before WoW is nil. He knows how to raid hardcore in EQ, and is recreating the game in WoW. i say this because furor adheres to the brickwall learning curve reminicent of EQ. (Hyjal attunement anyone?)

Being the lead designer of quests in WoW is it any surprise for druids level 68 soloable quests which yield green rewards are the best in the game? (Hell even a lvl 60 blue chest is better than T4 chest.)



I wonder if his attitude has changed.

Regardless of this patch or any future events i will be tanking far into end game, i am not about to let this elitist stop me from tanking.

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"I already did, maybe the big words threw you off. Go back over the last few posts and you'll see it - it's the post with the big RED BLINKING LIGHTS AND SIRENS.

Assuming our time in game is a constant value, then my time in game is currently far, far more valuable than yours. Correct. Are you a math major?" -Furor Planedefiler

It is no secret Furor and Tigole are anti hybrids. What confuses us are why Blizzard does not do something about this.

I do not feel safe, having a mad man designing my game.

He isnt a mad man, in fact i think he is a genius. A normal man with his views would in most ways just be told to shut up. He made it to assisting EQ designers developing the game he purposefully crashed several times when he did not get his way, and is now a major designer in WoW. Whatever his motives his methods are flawless.

Then we do like him? Gather up all druids and do a /dance to crash the servers until the nerfs are undone?

Oh, wait, shame there aren't enough of us left. =/

Maybe we should all just start crashing servers untill they fire his sorry ass?

Where do i sign up for that?

Dont know about getting him fired, but there is a "stand down" for all druids priests shamans and paladins starting the 6th, dont do any dungeons unless its with your guild, kinda pointless imo

A stand down?
Has tht been anounced somewhere?

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Then we do like him? Gather up all druids and do a /dance to crash the servers until the nerfs are undone?

Oh, wait, shame there aren't enough of us left. =/

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are you really trying to say that a class with 22k armor and 12k+ hp should be allowed to do 1.5-2k crits on plate in melee and then stun you, pop out of melee and heal themselves full while dotting you, rooting you to the ground then continuing.

the only thing that made bearmode not overpowered back in the day was that bears couldn't do good damage - they could soak up loads but their dps sucked - now their dps is wayyyy too high and they hurt while also taking hardly any damage in return.

Chronicles of the spellborn, darkfall, Warhammer - 3 games incoming that embrace hybrids with open arms. Even Warhammer as all classes can heal to some extent and even those in each faction who are the strongest helers are required to do damage to heal.

1 or 2 of them are my next stops. Sod this anti-hybrid crap both accounts canceled and even if they fix shaman i highly doubt Im ever coming back. 2mates have also canceled their account over the druid nerfs thou tbh if Druid agroo was fixed they could live with the bear damage nerf. I just hope I can persuade them to delete WoW and move on.

p.s. srry druids but cat = damage, bear = tanking. But they need to compensate the bear damage nerf with better agroo generation that's independent of damage.

maybe we should just ask pve players who dont want the nerf to go through to help protest... give him a taste of the sh*t hes asking us to eat.

seriously good digging on these devs will be going on i think.

keep up the good work in exposing these twats for what they are

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are you really trying to say that a class with 22k armor and 12k+ hp should be allowed to do 1.5-2k crits on plate in melee and then stun you, pop out of melee and heal themselves full while dotting you, rooting you to the ground then continuing.

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No one have 22k armor 12k hp unless they go pvp in tank gear. And then they will never do1.5-2k mangles on CLOTH. Get a clue what you are talking about.

Ive done 2.6k mangle (bear) on cloth as alltime highest, and 4.3k bite also on cloth. I have roughly 2k attack power. Warriors do over 4k MS on moonkins with 10k armor, and applies a healing debuff.

cry more.

As much as I understand what you are saying, I don't get what you think actually saying it will accomplish. You won't shame him or Tigole into changing their views on things, just look at their individual histories.

You have to remember you're talking about a guy who, upon seeing content that was released unfinished in an EQ expansion, actually posted an open "fix it for me now or we (his guild) all quit" letter on his guilds site (I agree releasing content unfinished is bad, being a primadonna about it is worse). That was just the last of the many "my way or else" tantrums he pulled during his history in EQ, one would think that he would have learned from those experiences.

He hasn't.

Content was released unfinshed and poorly tested in EQ. Content is "held back" in WoW and then released poorly tested (see the whole subject that prompted these "Who is Furor and what has he done" investigation). I do not hold him personally responsible for WoWs shortcomings but I do get a small sense of satisfaction watching his name being attached to "bad" WoW things.

Considering that he crowed for years that the good of EQ was because of him and the bad was because no one listened to him, I find it fitting that, when given the chance in a practical environment, he can't do any of it any better than those people whom he so happily insulted. Not so easy is it, champ?

Eh, 4k melee crits on moonkin (plate equivalent) doesn't happen--even from warriors. Not without being fully sundered, at the very least.

Seriously, being reduced to 4k with even just 40% reduction means a 7k crit before armor--it isn't happening.

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Chronicles of the spellborn, darkfall, Warhammer - 3 games incoming that embrace hybrids with open arms. Even Warhammer as all classes can heal to some extent and even those in each faction who are the strongest helers are required to do damage to heal.

1 or 2 of them are my next stops. Sod this anti-hybrid crap both accounts canceled and even if they fix shaman i highly doubt Im ever coming back. 2mates have also canceled their account over the druid nerfs thou tbh if Druid agroo was fixed they could live with the bear damage nerf. I just hope I can persuade them to delete WoW and move on.

p.s. srry druids but cat = damage, bear = tanking. But they need to compensate the bear damage nerf with better agroo generation that's independent of damage.

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Chronicles of the spellborn looks really nice, thanks for the tip ! :)

"A small, well tuned downgrade to certain aspects of being a Knight would probably cause an uproar in the 'now' but over time would go away as people adjusted properly to their roles. Your role isn't to usurp my role - something it is currently doing."

Replace the word Knight with Druid and it's the exact thing that's happening atm. With the above quoted person in charge.

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Eh, 4k melee crits on moonkin (plate equivalent) doesn't happen--even from warriors. Not without being fully sundered, at the very least.

Seriously, being reduced to 4k with even just 40% reduction means a 7k crit before armor--it isn't happening.

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Oh believe me it does.

If you want to know Furor's stance on hybrids and what we're supposed to do in raids read a few pages of the op's link.

It's so clear now. It actually makes sense.

This is his view on hybrids (this means paladins/druids):

"Your role is a supplemental hybrid tank with defensive spellcasting abilities. Pretty @#%$ simple, no? Not a raid's main tank"


This is the person behind our massive nerf, no question about it. And if you don't think that a former guildleader of one of the most famous and succesfull guilds in EQ has influence enough to do this you're terribly wrong.

People always bring this up, and it's just sheer ignorance.

Firstly, you obviously never played Everquest, have no idea what the state of hybrid/warrior play was back then and have no concept of what he was complaining about.
Paladins called this same thing, and it was as stupid then as it is now.

At the time of writing in Everquest, Paladins had heals, buffs, res, stuns, divine shield, Shadowknights had fears, debuffs that buffed the group, life drains, a (admittedly not very useful) pet, Feign Death , shadowknights had better Dps...I could go on.

Warriors could auto attack, taunt and had a low damage spell interupt. They had several 10-30 minute cool down abilities. 2 of which, evasion and defensive, allowed them to be the best tanks in any situation. I think the cool downs were 8 and 10 minutes respectively and both abilities lasted 3 minutes, with major damage penalties that made holding agro even more difficult. Agro wise warriors were already exponentially worse than the hybrid tanks. There was no comparison, and more than that a lot of mobs were immune to taunt, meaning if the warrior lost it, it was very, very difficult to get it back.

As far as single groups were concerned, warriors were the 3rd best tank. Can you imagine the uproar you'd get on the warrior boards if warriors were worse tanks than druids and paladins in groups, worse tanks in raids if shield wall/last stand type abilities weren't absolutely required, with worse dps and less utility.

This wasn't a Furor vs Hybrids, this was a Furor vs stupid game imbalance. You can't make a one-trick pony and then make another class better at the trick, which is what they did in EQ.

In summary, shut the hell up.