Some links are bad URL, and this stuff i allready know, are people so bread headed that they cant find good spec? Why use so much time on reading this half junk when you can rather just play or do other stuff IRL rather then reading something you can find out inside the game, fine for newcomers it might be helpfull, but lets be honest. Newcomers dont realy visit the forums that often at the start (they dont realy), its when they get better and understand the talent points and level up, THEN they visit the forums.
Besides, having people spec all the same wouldnt be unique, people should investigate/explore their talent tree's and not just jump in google or wow forum and find someone else's spec ( where is the fun? ).

I realy dont like these topics sorry, ignore me i dont give a damn but at least spec as you want guys, not after someone else's spec, i like to inspect other people's spec, its fun and it might give me other insights/ideas.

Does someone know a updated talent tree frost guide,
cause all the other ones are with the old talents.

Thanks in advance. :)

Guys is there a crit cap? I have 36% fire crit chance with molten armor. When I debuff target with scorch crit chance on this target rises to 46%, with raid buffs it'll be about 52% on one target... are those numbers reliable?

nope there is no crit cap if you wish and when you can you can get crit to 100% ( as you can see in fight with loatheb) :D

I just came back to wow from a long break and keep reading bout this arcane nerf for the mages. Any chance there's a link to a site with these? playin on my druid while i wait for blizz to answer my emails-.-

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nope there is no crit cap if you wish and when you can you can get crit to 100% ( as you can see in fight with loatheb) :D

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75% is the cap.

Does anyone help me with writing an online petition to Blizzard for mages being underpowered? I plan to place this on www.petitiononline.com. I can't write it myself because I don't know English this good and I an not much of the writer :( You can write your text here or create a topic for it..

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Does anyone help me with writing an online petition to Blizzard for mages being underpowered? I plan to place this on www.petitiononline.com. I can't write it myself because I don't know English this good and I an not much of the writer :( You can write your text here or create a topic for it..

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if this isnt a troll then god damn

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Guys very sorry for my english... I done all what i could... But please read it to the end you will like it :)))
Do you guys saw how many (a lot) changes have mage? and how many changes have all another classes??? (!!!) when 35% hp - lower cast of pyroblast, -20% all damage taken and disarm in fiery payback? 10% chance to stun the target for 2 sec (1 sec in pvp) by fire blast? LOL i laughed so much... yes ofcurse fire mage now became much better in pvp... when he have 35% hp we can be imba! HAHAHAHA... so many people told here that Blizz couldn't make nothing with fire mage in pvp... so they was right... i thought so too...
oh you will say that not all specs can be for pvp right... must be pve... but what about dk? rogue? even pala prot makes insane crazy damage...

when mage have 35% - he is dead... when he can cast pyroblast? 10% proc of disarm? mage died - and his killer disarmed... cool... it was revenge... he will cry now... only blazing speed and burning determination - its ok... its cool abilities... first only for arcane-pvp (but again 10% proc-chance - to low) and second... i even dont know if fire its pve... that speed we can use after wipe in instance or something... and dragon's breath and blast wave - only 2 instants spells (after imba-super-buper stunning fire blast) have to many cooldowns... seems like dragon's breath, flamestrike, blast wave, flamestrike, fire blast, maybe instant pyro... hmmm... and if target is still alive? what now? RUN!!!!!!! i am not talking about pyroblast in pvp... 5 seconds cast... yes with burning souls we can do that (-70% pushback suffered)... but only 1 time when enemy smashing our face... and before death we can make it... or when enemy is a sheep... something like sheep, pyro, sheep, pyro, sheep, pyro... or wait even after this he will be have 100% hp... or pyroblast from the bushes on bg... yeah now living bomb will be critically... now we can use it and then... run!!!!!!!! maybe enemy will die while running with us... yes i saw many videos in youtube with fire mages and understand that fire mage can kill the enemy... but what he have? high damage but NO survivability at all... we need to many casts... and this tree is the most fun spec for all now... so what about...

1. In wowhead - spell - uncategorized i saw some spell name Molten Fire... its debuff for target which not making any damage but every 3 seconds eating enemy's 400 mana, or 10 energy, or 10 rage, or 10 runic power... what about that? just add it in fire spec and all fire mages will be happy! (you can change is with useless Molten Fury)

2. Talent - Hot Streak - what about after 2 critical strikes you have a chance to make instant pyroblast and the cooldown of blast wave is refreshes? why not? will be awesome :) i dont ask about that Cold Snap which refreshes all frost cooldowns... not fair for fire... fire spec will be much and much more cool then for pvp... and more interesting - because all his abilities will be on proc-chance...

3. Impact with 2 seconds of stun?... hmm... its 1 second in pvp... what can we do for 1 second? ... nothing! why not at least 5 seconds (2 in pvp) like warlocks have... its not a lot for fire mage... i thing it will be enough for... something... 5 seconds of disoriented in dragon's breath and 5 seconds of stuned in fire blast... its already something good! ... but now its useless talent really... maybe only for cast-interrupt (but proc chance only for luck)... just remove it back we don't need it...

4. Make Blazing Speed and Disarm - not proc spells - instant spells... (at least first) why not? will be awesome too if you want to make fire mage more strong in pvp... then he will be a little unique for play and much more instereting... look - enemy attacking the fire mage, but his weapon becomes molten and he cant keep it some time because its very hot... sounds like truth... fire mage - its fire and nobody cant touch fire... and make Molten Shield MORE molten... 170 damage? enemies must afraid to come closer to fire! add Ignite for it with crits and diarms... Ice Shield much cool then it so fix it! why fire mage must use ice shields in pvp? yes 5% its cool but we need some defense in melee zone! or make it so - molten shields explores by blast wave when the enemy strikes you by crit in meele or when he is getting damage by this 5 seconds or when he is getting crit from ignite by additional (something like Shattered barrier)... do something guys...

5. Make Living Bomb - also reduce target's movement speed by 50%... only 1 instant impairing speed spell... arcane have Slow and frost have Cone of Cold+Novas so will be fair... because there is no time to cast that Frostfire bolt in pvp - to high cast time for that... we need only run like crazy and spam fire blast and dragon's breath and blast wave with their crazy cooldowns... as i said - only from the bushes in bg...

6. Improved Fireball - maybe somewhen in BK people does fireball. now nobody doesn't that... all uses Frostfire bolt so make it so - reduce the cast time of both spells by 0.5 seconds...

7. Some time i thought about Fire Barrier (like Ice Barrier) but then understood that you wouldn't do that for us... but can be awesome - only reduce 50% for all spell damage (just spell at least) on 30 seconds... but its not real... you will call it to much imba no no no... I even don't ask you to add Fire Elemental with his range Blast Wave (like Ice Elemental with his Frost Nova)... it must be like frost vs fire - 2 forces and must be the balance between them... so make it :)

8. All classes got some new abilities and mage no... so there is it... what about something like Fire Block - mage becomes immune to all damage (like Ice Block) and strikes by fire all nearby enemies for 10 seconds but he cant use any abilities and cant move or do something... just stand on his place and just be like flame... and enemies must run away from him... such instant defense... it will be more and more and more fun for us and we will say you very big thanks dear Blizz :)))

Mages so not to many in this world so make them come back to us! ;)) with all this they will back i know it :) this class will be much more interesting... much more... much and much...
Yes you all will say now - wtf? its all !@#$%^&*() but look at pala with his many shileds and immunes and look at dk with his magic absorbs and deflections... so what we didn't deserve it? fire mages wants to live too!!! i dont want to play that boring arcane with only 2-3 spells-jump and pew pew pew... or that frost mage with his 1-2 spells cast, cast, cast and then LOW MANA... now so many people became fire because its the most cool spec for all so Blizz just think about all what i wrote...

and now all mages will call me noob or retard or something because i am trying to do someting with our favorite class :)))

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What a mindblast. How did you get this text here? Uploaded directly from your brain? These are thoughts, not sentences.

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i dont want to play that boring arcane with only 2-3 spells-jump and pew pew pew... or that frost mage with his 1-2 spells cast, cast, cast and then LOW MANA...

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Hun - go roll Orc War: I bet you'll love it, no pew pew, i promise =P

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Guys very sorry for my english... I done all what i could... But please read it to the end you will like it :)))
Do you guys saw how many (a lot) changes have mage? and how many changes have all another classes??? (!!!) when 35% hp - lower cast of pyroblast, -20% all damage taken and disarm in fiery payback? 10% chance to stun the target for 2 sec (1 sec in pvp) by fire blast? LOL i laughed so much... yes ofcurse fire mage now became much better in pvp... when he have 35% hp we can be imba! HAHAHAHA... so many people told here that Blizz couldn't make nothing with fire mage in pvp... so they was right... i thought so too...
oh you will say that not all specs can be for pvp right... must be pve... but what about dk? rogue? even pala prot makes insane crazy damage...

when mage have 35% - he is dead... when he can cast pyroblast? 10% proc of disarm? mage died - and his killer disarmed... cool... it was revenge... he will cry now... only blazing speed and burning determination - its ok... its cool abilities... first only for arcane-pvp (but again 10% proc-chance - to low) and second... i even dont know if fire its pve... that speed we can use after wipe in instance or something... and dragon's breath and blast wave - only 2 instants spells (after imba-super-buper stunning fire blast) have to many cooldowns... seems like dragon's breath, flamestrike, blast wave, flamestrike, fire blast, maybe instant pyro... hmmm... and if target is still alive? what now? RUN!!!!!!! i am not talking about pyroblast in pvp... 5 seconds cast... yes with burning souls we can do that (-70% pushback suffered)... but only 1 time when enemy smashing our face... and before death we can make it... or when enemy is a sheep... something like sheep, pyro, sheep, pyro, sheep, pyro... or wait even after this he will be have 100% hp... or pyroblast from the bushes on bg... yeah now living bomb will be critically... now we can use it and then... run!!!!!!!! maybe enemy will die while running with us... yes i saw many videos in youtube with fire mages and understand that fire mage can kill the enemy... but what he have? high damage but NO survivability at all... we need to many casts... and this tree is the most fun spec for all now... so what about...

1. In wowhead - spell - uncategorized i saw some spell name Molten Fire... its debuff for target which not making any damage but every 3 seconds eating enemy's 400 mana, or 10 energy, or 10 rage, or 10 runic power... what about that? just add it in fire spec and all fire mages will be happy! (you can change is with useless Molten Fury)

2. Talent - Hot Streak - what about after 2 critical strikes you have a chance to make instant pyroblast and the cooldown of blast wave is refreshes? why not? will be awesome :) i dont ask about that Cold Snap which refreshes all frost cooldowns... not fair for fire... fire spec will be much and much more cool then for pvp... and more interesting - because all his abilities will be on proc-chance...

3. Impact with 2 seconds of stun?... hmm... its 1 second in pvp... what can we do for 1 second? ... nothing! why not at least 5 seconds (2 in pvp) like warlocks have... its not a lot for fire mage... i thing it will be enough for... something... 5 seconds of disoriented in dragon's breath and 5 seconds of stuned in fire blast... its already something good! ... but now its useless talent really... maybe only for cast-interrupt (but proc chance only for luck)... just remove it back we don't need it...

4. Make Blazing Speed and Disarm - not proc spells - instant spells... (at least first) why not? will be awesome too if you want to make fire mage more strong in pvp... then he will be a little unique for play and much more instereting... look - enemy attacking the fire mage, but his weapon becomes molten and he cant keep it some time because its very hot... sounds like truth... fire mage - its fire and nobody cant touch fire... and make Molten Shield MORE molten... 170 damage? enemies must afraid to come closer to fire! add Ignite for it with crits and diarms... Ice Shield much cool then it so fix it! why fire mage must use ice shields in pvp? yes 5% its cool but we need some defense in melee zone! or make it so - molten shields explores by blast wave when the enemy strikes you by crit in meele or when he is getting damage by this 5 seconds or when he is getting crit from ignite by additional (something like Shattered barrier)... do something guys...

5. Make Living Bomb - also reduce target's movement speed by 50%... only 1 instant impairing speed spell... arcane have Slow and frost have Cone of Cold+Novas so will be fair... because there is no time to cast that Frostfire bolt in pvp - to high cast time for that... we need only run like crazy and spam fire blast and dragon's breath and blast wave with their crazy cooldowns... as i said - only from the bushes in bg...

6. Improved Fireball - maybe somewhen in BK people does fireball. now nobody doesn't that... all uses Frostfire bolt so make it so - reduce the cast time of both spells by 0.5 seconds...

7. Some time i thought about Fire Barrier (like Ice Barrier) but then understood that you wouldn't do that for us... but can be awesome - only reduce 50% for all spell damage (just spell at least) on 30 seconds... but its not real... you will call it to much imba no no no... I even don't ask you to add Fire Elemental with his range Blast Wave (like Ice Elemental with his Frost Nova)... it must be like frost vs fire - 2 forces and must be the balance between them... so make it :)

8. All classes got some new abilities and mage no... so there is it... what about something like Fire Block - mage becomes immune to all damage (like Ice Block) and strikes by fire all nearby enemies for 10 seconds but he cant use any abilities and cant move or do something... just stand on his place and just be like flame... and enemies must run away from him... such instant defense... it will be more and more and more fun for us and we will say you very big thanks dear Blizz :)))

Mages so not to many in this world so make them come back to us! ;)) with all this they will back i know it :) this class will be much more interesting... much more... much and much...
Yes you all will say now - wtf? its all !@#$%^&*() but look at pala with his many shileds and immunes and look at dk with his magic absorbs and deflections... so what we didn't deserve it? fire mages wants to live too!!! i dont want to play that boring arcane with only 2-3 spells-jump and pew pew pew... or that frost mage with his 1-2 spells cast, cast, cast and then LOW MANA... now so many people became fire because its the most cool spec for all so Blizz just think about all what i wrote...

and now all mages will call me noob or retard or something because i am trying to do someting with our favorite class :)))

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My eyes are bleeding.
I tried to read that. Seriously I wanted to know what that blue little smurf had in his mind, but no..
I couldn't even read the "first chapter" without laughing.
sorry but this is too hilarious.. :D

yea u got right but i deleted mage he was lvl 41 he was my main and bored me leveling mage to 80 so i created a warrior and i see its better play warrior then mage and now im lvl-ing warrior to 80 and i dont mean mages are suck




THEY ARE THRISTY FOR !!!MANA!!!

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Due to the vast changes in 3.1 and over recent months with Wrath and such, this thread is a little out of date. Feel free to create new/updated threads for the compilation of current guides at the top of the forum:

http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=8864928100&sid=1

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Hi all, having recently started a mage I have been looking through this forum and most of the links especially talent builds are now incorrect - bit of a shame :(

Mebbe unsticky this one and let it peter out?

CHeers

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