In an upcoming content patch

This is 2.1 right? Because I was quite confused but then realized that 2.0.x = bug fix patches (even with items nerfs in them...).

EDIT: This topic does not seems to be visible at forums. I am bad cow replying to invisible post :x

Does this change effect Tier 4 items?
And what about the parts without any sockets i.e. gloves?
Thanks.

Good to hear :)

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It’s not our intention for higher tiers of raid armour to be worse or side-grades to previous sets. While in some cases they may not always have the specific stat that some may prefer the intent is that the overall item quality is indeed higher with each new raid tier.

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Then will you PLEASE explain the nerf on rogues' tier 4 and tier 5? =/

What's up with the 16 agi instead of 21 crit rating for example? Do you know how useless that is? And how it means that the Assassination set is better for dagger rogues than the EPIC tier sets?

I'm wondering the same as the above poster. Sadly, I just got my Tier 4 head only to find what I like about it is about to get lost amongst 'stat boosts'. 'Stealther's Helm of Second Sight' is superior to it post 2.0.10 given the right gems.

http://img12.picsplace.to/img.php?file=img12/1/Rogue_T4_000.jpg

19 attack power and 0.48% crit is not worth it over +0.61% hit and +0.63% crit in my view. What we're lacking in 70 blues is scaling -- we're already getting enough AP as it is. My crit from 60 to 70 dropped from 31% to 21%. With swords. Yes, we get avoidance, but my primary role in raids isn't to tank. It's DPS. Though evasion tanking is amusing.

And the shoulders -- dodge over DPS stats? Bloodfang all over again? Gah ...

Maybe it's just me, but on the PTR, the changes look kind of... meh.

Short but effective request : please change the color scheme on rogue tier 6, it looks gay, k, thx.

Also...
Garrote -> moroes. o_O seriously that guy is .. hard !

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I'm wondering the same as the above poster. Sadly, I just got my Tier 4 head only to find what I like about it is about to get lost amongst 'stat boosts'. 'Stealther's Helm of Second Sight' is superior to it post 2.0.10 given the right gems.

http://img12.picsplace.to/img.php?file=img12/1/Rogue_T4_000.jpg

19 attack power and 0.48% crit is not worth it over +0.61% hit and +0.63% crit in my view. What we're lacking in 70 blues is scaling -- we're already getting enough AP as it is. My crit from 60 to 70 dropped from 31% to 21%. With swords. Yes, we get avoidance, but my primary role in raids isn't to tank. It's DPS. Though evasion tanking is amusing.

And the shoulders -- dodge over DPS stats? Bloodfang all over again? Gah ...

Maybe it's just me, but on the PTR, the changes look kind of... meh.

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The problem here lies in the fact that it's a ilvl 105 epic, vs an ilvl 115 blue.
means it's a really really close tie on stats.. and sadly. yes. they are almost equal.

imo. epic items should be using as many stats as they can, to keep the cost low.
e.g. : agi+ap+crit+hit+stamina. as well as 2 sockets.


the 2.0.10 changes are pretty nerfed... why give so much agi, and remove crit ?
we already have too little crit !!

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This in turn directly results in a base stat increase for the higher quality items, which will be seen in that same patch.

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I wouldnt say adding dodge rating to our tier4 shoulders instead of crit is a stat "upgrade" so please.. tell me its not the way its supposed to be and that you are planning to change it back to crit.
If they get the dodge nobody will use them due to the Karazhan chess event shoulders being a rather big upgrade.
Same with our tier4 helmet it'll loose its value compared to the one from Netherspite.

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I wouldnt say adding dodge rating to our tier4 shoulders instead of crit is a stat "upgrade" so please.. tell me its not the way its supposed to be and that you are planning to change it back to crit.
If they get the dodge nobody will use them due to the Karazhan chess event shoulders being a rather big upgrade.
Same with our tier4 helmet it'll loose its value compared to the one from Netherspite.

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What he said.

Please look over Oblivion/Voidheat. I mean, unless you only pvp with destruction, the oblivion gloves are faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar better :S

I have a couple of issues. The first is the way the Meta Socket is addressed. You have a Meta gem with 26 healing and 2% threat reduction. This is a great gem. But it's pretty much impossible to use with any kind of realistic gear setup on a Druid and Shaman, unless you break the socket bonuses and use some worse quality gems for particular spots.

I would like to be rewarded for getting the best possible gems/gear setup possible for my class inc. the socket bonuses and to be able to actually use the meta socket for something useable. At the moment I am using the Tier 4 helm with the 18 sta and 5 stun resist gem so i can at least use it for something useful (pvp with mass solid star of elune gear, it's not working with my pve gear).

The problem is it's impossible for me to get a decent pve gem, I explained the problem with the 26 healing / 2% threat reduction gem (it's actually impossible to use it with a decent gear setup, more yellow than blue gems). Let's take another example, I could instead use the 12 int and mana regain meta gem (that's 5 of each colour requirement), with the gear im going for again, i can't get it, not even close. The gear I've been going for, and i believe currently the optimum setup in the game for shamans is 4 tier 3 and 4 tier 4 as it gives the best set bonuses (23 tick on mana spring). With this setup I can't actually use a gem, of any kind that will work ... appart from the 2% chance to proc insta spell which is almost totally useless.

How about giving us some realistic Meta requirements and actually think about what gear people are going to use and therefore howt he meta gems should work because at the moment unless you have mass karazhan gear on a non healer, ure basically screwed.

I have another rant about how excessive trash respawn times and the amount of trash are killing raid motivation and flatly making pve boring at the moment but perhaps I should save that for a more relevant thread. All I'll say is it's a joke and I think you're going to kill the spirit of many of the top guilds because to be honest who the hell can be bothered to kill that much trash that often to get only 3x the time spent killing the trash every hour on the boss ....

Regards, a disgruntled raid leader

//Mek

speaking about netherspite's headpiece for rogues and chess event shoulders... well check tier4 gloves and assassination gloves... tier4 are equal... if not worse tbh.

finally :x

dodge instead of crit, nerfing agi, giving us stamina................... that's not a boost if u ask me :X

my question mainly regards the bonus of T4 and T5 for locks

2: Your shadow damage spells have a chance to grant you 135 bonus shadow damage for 15 sec and your fire damage spells have a chance to grant you 135 bonus fire damage for 15 sec.
4: Increases the duration of your Corruption and Immolate abilities by 3 sec.

ooh well thats pretty sexay, 4 pieces grants me +12% damage on immolate and corruption. and i must say, the 2 set bonus is pretty nice too, i can't wait to see what corrupter gives...

2: Healing spells heal your pet for 30% of the amount that they healed you.
4: Your Shadowbolt spell hits increase the damage of Corruption by 3% and your Incinerate spell hits increase the damage of Immolate by 3%.

ooh...well...oke...healing my pet is...fine i guess...i don't really use it....but, it's nice...i guess

oooh WOW that effect of 4 is just freakin awesome!!...wait a sec...i have to cast a shadowbolt...to get a lower increase in damage then T4...?

did blizz flip the bonus effects around? does the T5 armor now have the T4 bonus or what? or do you WANT us to walk around in voidheart armor cause it's secretly just @%@@ing 10x better then the corrupter set?

Did the sets get the "upgrade" already on 2.0.10? I'm a bit confused about that.

If they did, at least hunter T4 and T5 are still just as crap as they were before. Where's the crit and hit? Especially the lack of crit is just rediculous, and if item has (zomg) crit rating then it doesn't have any agility, henceforth making the overall total crit from said item actually worse than similar T3 piece.

pretty funny to read that the patch notes mention that socketed high quality items (i do read epics here) are going to receive a stat boost. After the patch i logged in and noticed that at least 1 of my epic socketed items got its stats reduced by alot.. -3 agi -2 sta -11 int -22 ap and -3 hit rating on 1 item....

So far the good news i guess.