Just thought I'd spell out out how severe the hemo nerf is for raiding rogues. Not bad really!

With my 11/27/23 spec, my damage from the instant attack portion of hemo is about 21% of my total damage in fights when rupture is useable.

The nerf from 125% to 110% is a 12% loss in hemo damage. 0.21*0.12 = roughly 2.5% loss in your overall damage as seen on the damage meter (i.e. not counting damage from other ppl using your hemo stacks).

The change to the hemo debuff ups the damage it does from 360 to 420 (+60 damage). If you hemo roughly every 4 seconds, that is 15 DPS extra from the improved debuff. My average DPS is around 950, so this extra 15 DPS is a 1.6% damage buff (if you count it towards yourself). Even if you do a pimpin 1200 DPS, it is a 1.3% damage increase.

As you can see, the majority of rogues will lose less than 1% DPS in raids, if you include the improved hemo debuff.

Let me know if you see a mistake, I know ya will!

edit: typos

Oh yeah thought of something else. The hemo damage bonus is doubled on crits and is influenced by talents like lethality and impale, but is also mitigated by armour. So that figure of 15 DPS from the debuff is a little off.

If you say that the raid's base crit is 30%, armour mitigation is 20% and you ignore lethality etc, then is actually 15.6 DPS added :D Enjoy.

One bump for more views :D

Hemo is hardly any worse for raiding rogues, tell your friends!

Soylent Green is peeeeopllllle!

Have you considered that when in a raid you won't use all the hemo debuffs yourself ?

now what im wondering is why are people so obsessed with being able to raid with hemo?

people have made millions of posts about hemo raid viability since the dawn of time.

just spec full combat swords and be done with it.

BUT I LIKE HEMO IN PVE TOTALLY DIFFERENT PLAYSTYLE LOLOL

no it isnt.

you are not unique either.

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Have you considered that when in a raid you won't use all the hemo debuffs yourself ?

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have you ever considered it doesnt matter? the debuffs still deal the same dmg, but it doesnt count as your own.

OMG LOSING OUT ON THE DMG METER TT

The diff is that Hemo cost 35 Energy. And another diff is that I'm sick of SS.
If u are not, I guess u didn't played rogue class too much, isn't it?

You are unique indeed.

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The diff is that Hemo cost 35 Energy. And another diff is that I'm sick of SS.
If u are not, I guess u didn't played rogue class too much, isn't it?

You are unique indeed.

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yeah cause hemo and SS are TOTALLY DIFFERENT in the way you use them.

You generate faster combo points with Hemo.
You play a class based on combo points generation.

Also, do you never get bored to try to SS (omg I need a SS now fast either to generate a combo point or to do some damge) and to get 'Not enough energy'.

It happened less with hemo to me... When I blink, there is a combo point on target already.

5 energy counts.

And btw, you did said hemo/ss is the same thing in before post if I recall? hehe.. you answered your question yourself.

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BUT I LIKE HEMO IN PVE TOTALLY DIFFERENT PLAYSTYLE LOLOL

no it isnt.

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Isn't it? Combat has less predictable cycles with combat potency. Hemo has 30% better ruptures. Combat has Adrenaline Rush that you can use to pimp your blade flurries. Hemo has Dirty Deeds with it's million and one uses. Combat has the option of stun/fear resistance. Hemo has the option of Ghostly for OTing in ZA and grinding. Not to mention the maths are pretty convincing that having one hemo rogue in the place of a combat rogue improves the raid's DPS.

Plenty of minor differences there to keep you amused if you've been combat forever. Same 1s/5r cycles though.

Not as fun to raid with as mutilate though...

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The diff is that Hemo cost 35 Energy. And another diff is that I'm sick of SS.
If u are not, I guess u didn't played rogue class too much, isn't it?

You are unique indeed.

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Actually in raiding terms it isn't that different as Combat Potency will proc enough to make the 5 energy from Hemo negligible. People go on about Ruptures hitting harder but Suprise Attacks make your SS hit harder.

The only thing that differs is in regards to pvp. There Hemo spec is more versatile compared to a pure Combat spec.


psy out

First
Buff mutilate
Thanks

*insert something constructive so he isn't mad at me :-(*

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The developers want the subtlety tree to be a good support tree instead.

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So...basically...you're not supposed to spec deep sub? Shadowstep is a support for what, exactly?

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We realise that there are some confusion regarding the Hemo change, and that many of you feel that the damage reduction is too much.

The developers felt that Hemo was actually a viable arena spec. Pretty much every rogue was switching to Hemo because of this, so they made the change to nerf it somewhat. The developers want the subtlety tree to be as useless as before instead.

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Thats all i read im afraid.

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We realise that there are some confusion regarding the Hemo change, and that many of you feel that the damage reduction is too much.

The developers felt that Hemo was overpowered. Pretty much every rogue was switching to Hemo because of this, so they made the change to tone it down somewhat. The developers want the subtlety tree to be a good support tree instead.

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Hohohoooo!

And when all the mages speced frost what happened then ?

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And when all the mages speced frost what happened then ?

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Trainable Ice Block and a new talent that further buffs frost :D

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Trainable Ice Block and a new talent that further buffs frost :D

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Exactly...

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The developers felt that Hemo was overpowered.


ROFFFLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

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I knew it!

Finaly proof!!!!