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If an argument is flawed, regardless of its location i will point out the problem with it. In the spirit of the pvp forum, nice ratings brah

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like yours too XD.
and dont give us this ulduar rubish you talk like it the only raid ever .

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pfftt why not they have given raiders everything else so why stop now ?:(.

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I know! Anybody would think this is a PvE game! :/

No, unless you make it a 2 - 4% drop chance from a final boss in some raid somewhere at level 80

Any random could get a netherdrake in TBC so qq more.

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like yours too XD.
and dont give us this ulduar rubish you talk like it the only raid ever .

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I think even fewer did the mounts from Naxx, not for the difficulty (although running immortal takes 25 people paying attention) However I have no evidence of this so I chose to not mention it. I chose ulduar because it was the most challenging raid instance in wrath and one of two 310% mount rewarding instances. The fact remains that only a small faction of the raiding base will get the mount so frostwyrms remain

[quote]Any random could get a netherdrake in TBC so qq more.[/quote

Yes: Listen to this man
You didn't even need to RAID to get a nether drake, just do dailies for a month]

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[quote]Any random could get a netherdrake in TBC so qq more.[/quote

Yes: Listen to this man
You didn't even need to RAID to get a nether drake, just do dailies for a month]

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yes but netherdrake and armored 310% speed netherdrake are not the same thing.

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yes but netherdrake and armored 310% speed netherdrake are not the same thing.

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Well it's not like the frostwyrms are going to be easy to get if they're rewards from glory of the icecrown raider. We're talking like what, 15 bosses with some hardmodes on the level of pre-nerf mimiron or anub25hc. It's not a welfare 310 like the plagued one.

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Well it's not like the frostwyrms are going to be easy to get if they're rewards from glory of the icecrown raider. We're talking like what, 15 bosses with some hardmodes on the level of pre-nerf mimiron or anub25hc. It's not a welfare 310 like the plagued one.

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Plagued one wasnt even welfare. You take the average raid group and tell them to kill Loatheb with no spores and you will get at least one saying "Are you high? why would we want to kill the only fun part of this fight? for some stupid achievement? gtfo" That was me... and totalbiscuit

Give pvpers legendary then kk!

What do you care OP, you'll never get one anyway

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There will be a Frostwyrms up for grabs for Icecrown raiders, achievable in a similar way to previous rewards such as the Ulduar proto-drake.

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Please say the 10man one will have a Dedicated Insanity style gear restriction on it.

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Please say the 10man one will have a Dedicated Insanity style gear restriction on it.

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NO it has to be obtainable by everyone, else it's not fair

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Please say the 10man one will have a Dedicated Insanity style gear restriction on it.

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Of course it will.

(I hope)

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NO it has to be obtainable by everyone, else it's not fair

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On a second note, casuals really got their proto drake cause of outgearing of ulduar, which aint happening in ICC.

It will for casual 25ers though.

Also you fail at detecting the sarcasm in the post you quoted.

Edit: Sorry for using the word "casual" in that context, was just replying using the same terminology.

Well, I have my doubts that the 10m Icecrown drake will suffer the same problem like the rusted proto, i.e. brute forcing your way through it by overgearing it.

Icecrown will be harder.
If common sense and PTR info are any indication then Icecrown will be quite harder than Ulduar, and rightfully so. This by itself fixes several issues:
- "Casual" 25 raiders will not be clearing the 25 normal modes anytime soon, hence why they can't get the gear to overgear the 10m hard modes.
- The hard modes themselves will require more than gear, hence bad players that over gear it by 1 tier (25m gear) will still have trouble with it.

You could argue that there will still be people that will clear 25m normal mode and overgear the hard modes, but one can argue that those people would clear the 10m hard modes either way, since as I said before, I doubt gear will be a deciding factor in ICC.

Well I know nothing about any of the encounters, as I'm a fan of going in blind and figuring stuff out. So I'll take your word on it looking good on the PTR.

ToC might've corrupted my view on the matter with the facerollability of easymodes, and the only change in difficulty on the hardmodes being (for the most part) gearchecks. It was much better in Ulduar, or even Sartharion, where hardmodes actually added something / many things to the fight. I really hope this is what ICC will return to.

Time will tell I suppose.