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  • 0. HotW change for 2.3   08/10/2007 06:03:43 PDT
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Furthermore there will be a change to HotW. Instead of giving 20% str in cat form it will now give 10% ap now.
Source: http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html;jsessionid=D9BE021CC5BCEC33DBC9D955833E42AB.app03_03?topicId=1119332291&sid=3&pageNo=3
Translated it, sorry for my bad english.

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How to calculate the bonus you will gain:
(Current ap - (str in cat - str in caster)*2)*1,1
for me that is +97 ap unbuffed
It will be a BUFF for everyone, changing the values of attributes to:
1 ap = 1,1 ap
1 str = 2,2 ap
1 agi = 1,1 ap and crit etc
also affecting feral attack power weapons, attack power buffs (warrior, hunter etc)!

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  • 1. Re: HotW change for 2.3   08/10/2007 06:21:48 PDT
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An unacceptable slap in the face!

FERAL DRUIDS RIP 2.3! QQ =)





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  • 2. Re: HotW change for 2.3   08/10/2007 06:23:36 PDT
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An unacceptable slap in the face!

FERAL DRUIDS RIP 2.3! QQ =)


I hope you're not serious :P

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  • 3. Re: HotW change for 2.3   08/10/2007 06:24:29 PDT
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Will this change the value of strength gems?

I guess it's nice seeing as we'll never get the itemization we demand, makes taking rogue loot a bit more appeasing


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  • 4. Re: HotW change for 2.3   08/10/2007 06:26:33 PDT
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Q u o t e:
Will this change the value of strength gems?

I guess it's nice seeing as we'll never get the itemization we demand, makes taking rogue loot a bit more appeasing


With bok:
1 str = 2,42 ap
1 agi = 1,21 ap
1 ap = 1,1 ap

Yeah i think items like Shady dealers pantaloons or at least cursed vision of sargeras will become the best dps items.

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  • 5. Re: HotW change for 2.3   08/10/2007 06:28:45 PDT
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Even more Agility stacking now!
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  • 6. Re: HotW change for 2.3   08/10/2007 06:38:50 PDT
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Q u o t e:
Furthermore there will be a change to HotW. Instead of giving 20% str in cat form it will now give 10% ap now.
Source: http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html;jsessionid=D9BE021CC5BCEC33DBC9D955833E42AB.app03_03?topicId=1119332291&sid=3&pageNo=3
Translated it, sorry for my bad english.

Edit:

How to calculate the bonus you will gain:
(Current ap - (str in cat - str in caster)*2)*1,1
for me that is +97 ap unbuffed
It will be a BUFF for everyone, changing the values of attributes to:
1 ap = 1,1 ap
1 str = 2,2 ap
1 agi = 1,1 ap and crit etc
also affecting feral attack power weapons, attack power buffs (warrior, hunter etc)!


This is indeed true... Heart of the Wild in cat form will be changed from 20% STR to 10% AP.

In addition there will be changes to Items that granted bonus attack power in Cat, Bear, Dire Bear, and Moonkin forms. These items have been re-evaluated and in almost all cases, the attack power on the item has been increased. This change corrects an issue where feral weapon damage was not keeping up with other classes in its rate of increase.

[ Post edited by Vaneras ]


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  • 7. Re: HotW change for 2.3   08/10/2007 06:39:10 PDT
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Talk about a change!


I'm in ur raid, ninjaing rogue ap gear. I can almost taste their tears already.

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  • 8. Re: HotW change for 2.3   08/10/2007 06:41:55 PDT
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So you basically render all +Str items i've collected useless now?
Or do you plan to tweak the +Str leather items for +AP now

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  • 9. Re: HotW change for 2.3   08/10/2007 06:43:13 PDT
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Q u o t e:


This is indeed true... Heart of the Wild in cat form will be changed from 20% STR to 10% AP.

In addition there will be changes to Items that granted bonus attack power in Cat, Bear, Dire Bear, and Moonkin forms. These items have been re-evaluated and in almost all cases, the attack power on the item has been increased. This change corrects an issue where feral weapon damage was not keeping up with other classes in its rate of increase.


Gimme some windfury pls?

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  • 10. Re: HotW change for 2.3   08/10/2007 06:43:17 PDT
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I think str should now be equal to AP dps-wise with the exception of Kings (taking item budget into account ofc).

Vaneras can we finally get the str and agi values on our tier sets swapped over now? It's better for both dps and tanking that way.

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  • 11. Re: HotW change for 2.3   08/10/2007 06:45:52 PDT
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Q u o t e:
So you basically render all +Str items i've collected useless now?
Or do you plan to tweak the +Str leather items for +AP now

+str is still slightly better than AP. When it comes to item stats, 0.5 AP = 1 str, but str is affected by SotF and BoK which AP isn't. And then the 10% bonus comes on both.

Of course... the "more of 1 stat = costs more item points" rule is very likely to make rogue items better. They tend to have more sockets and some +hit - better item points distribution than our 3-stat +agi/str/sta stuff. This is more because of the sockets than anything else though, there's no real reason that our items couldn't get a few stats less in exchange for a socket and a small amount of +hit.

edit: added "than AP", not implying that str > agi which it wasn't anyway

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  • 12. Re: HotW change for 2.3   08/10/2007 06:47:30 PDT
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sigh... really :|

okey, that's actually a buff if you look into it, since catform and rogues will use the same equipment, and it will actually work GREAT for druids.

still that means they changed it cause there was not enough equipment for druid class, as people were crying about for the last 2 years.
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  • 13. Re: HotW change for 2.3   08/10/2007 06:54:44 PDT
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And PLEASE give me an item (item lvl 130+) with 20 feral combat skill rating...

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  • 15. Re: HotW change for 2.3   08/10/2007 07:00:33 PDT
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This is indeed true... Heart of the Wild in cat form will be changed from 20% STR to 10% AP.

In addition there will be changes to Items that granted bonus attack power in Cat, Bear, Dire Bear, and Moonkin forms. These items have been re-evaluated and in almost all cases, the attack power on the item has been increased. This change corrects an issue where feral weapon damage was not keeping up with other classes in its rate of increase.


Nice

Looks like someone checked the math that's being going around in this forum for a few months and came ot the same conclusion as the number crunchers here.


To me as an inexperienced druid it sounds a bit like it will make switching between cat-bear in the same fight a bit harder, or do I fail at the class mechanics ?

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  • 16. Re: HotW change for 2.3   08/10/2007 07:00:50 PDT
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Thank you blizzard!

It will be interesting to see how this turns out, especially the aspect of loot competition with rogues.

Oh, and add FAP enchant.

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  • 17. Re: HotW change for 2.3   08/10/2007 07:11:06 PDT
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3302AP in cat and 1408AP in caster, unbuffed, how much it would be in 2.3?

I posted the above formula just reread my first post.
What do you wear for tanking btw i see that u enchanted t6 for dpsing. And why do you use str sockets, agi >> str right now and even more after 2.3!



Q u o t e:
Thank you blizzard!

It will be interesting to see how this turns out, especially the aspect of loot competition with rogues.

Oh, and add FAP enchant.

Shagath.


Just give us proccs ffs.


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  • 18. Re: HotW change for 2.3   08/10/2007 07:14:38 PDT
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This is actually a nerf.

1) 20% Strength is better than 10% Attack Power.

Example:
100 Str + 20% = 120 Str = 240 AP
200 AP + 10% = 220 AP = 110 Str


2) Will render Nurturing Instinct useless.

This talent converts 50% of Strength into +Healing. With the change to Heart of the Wild we will stop stacking on Strength, meaning this talent will become even more useless.


Gear has a ratio of having 2 x AP = 1 x Str, meaning we will lose Attack Power with this change (10% Attack Power). Even with the changes implemented with Feral AP weapons we will still not compensate the 10% lost.


I seriously hope they change Nurturing Instinct to convert Attack Power into +Healing (10%/25%).

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  • 19. Re: HotW change for 2.3   08/10/2007 07:16:25 PDT
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Q u o t e:
3302AP in cat and 1408AP in caster, unbuffed, how much it would be in 2.3?


Otmin You forget that part of your AP in cat comes from your Str value. So you need to place your Str Values.

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