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  • 320. Re: Players from Russia connection issues   31/10/2007 15:01:13 PDT
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Heya!

Town, Country: Minsk, Belarus
When did the problem start: 24 Oct
Realms I'm unable to connect: Talnivarr (haven't tried others)
Realms I'm able to connect: doesn't matter since my char's on Talnivarr
ISP: Anitex (anitex.by)
(I am using 56k dialup connection)

’а ббЁа®ўЄ ¬ аиагв Є 213-248-123-122.customer.teliacarrier.com [213.248.123.122]

б ¬ ЄбЁ¬ «м­л¬ зЁб«®¬ Їал¦Є®ў 30:



1 125 ms 130 ms 120 ms max4000.anitex.by [192.168.110.120]

2 * * * ЏаҐўл襭 Ё­вҐаў « ®¦Ё¤ ­Ёп ¤«п § Їа®б .

3 111 ms 120 ms 210 ms 10.10.211.1

4 171 ms 170 ms 169 ms 86.57.252.25

5 * 165 ms 170 ms 193.232.249.77

6 182 ms 190 ms 187 ms sl-gw11-sto-2-0.sprintlink.net [80.77.97.173]

7 183 ms 180 ms 195 ms sl-bb20-sto-12-0.sprintlink.net [80.77.96.97]

8 204 ms 330 ms 249 ms s-b3-link.telia.net [213.248.67.93]

9 209 ms 210 ms 208 ms s-hdn-i3-link.telia.net [80.91.249.69]

10 * * * ЏаҐўл襭 Ё­вҐаў « ®¦Ё¤ ­Ёп ¤«п § Їа®б .

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’а ббЁа®ўЄ ¬ аиагв Є 213-248-123-14.customer.teliacarrier.com [213.248.123.14]

б ¬ ЄбЁ¬ «м­л¬ зЁб«®¬ Їал¦Є®ў 30:



1 125 ms 120 ms 120 ms max4000.anitex.by [192.168.110.120]

2 * * * ЏаҐўл襭 Ё­вҐаў « ®¦Ё¤ ­Ёп ¤«п § Їа®б .

3 113 ms 120 ms 120 ms 10.10.211.1

4 170 ms 170 ms 180 ms 86.57.252.25

5 161 ms 170 ms 170 ms 193.232.249.77

6 185 ms 190 ms 180 ms sl-gw11-sto-2-0.sprintlink.net [80.77.97.173]

7 182 ms 170 ms 180 ms sl-bb20-sto-12-0.sprintlink.net [80.77.96.97]

8 202 ms 200 ms 310 ms s-b3-link.telia.net [213.248.67.93]

9 192 ms 210 ms 199 ms s-hdn-i3-link.telia.net [80.91.249.69]

10 * * * ЏаҐўл襭 Ё­вҐаў « ®¦Ё¤ ­Ёп ¤«п § Їа®б .

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  • 321. Re: Players from Russia connection issues   31/10/2007 16:21:16 PDT
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Q u o t e:


If this is working for you all you are doing is using the direct IP address of the login servers, this would suggest a possible DNS routing problem, I will forward the information on but I would again suggest you contact your network providers.


I have tried contacting my ISP(Telekom Austria). Their tech support is friendly and they did indeed try to help me, and after veryfing the problem, they said that the problem does not lie within their network(austrian wide), but instead happens on an international backbone level.

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  • 322. Re: Players from Russia connection issues   01/11/2007 01:16:25 PDT
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9th day without WOW...
nice tech support.. very fast.. very..
soon peoples will leave this game..
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  • 323. Re: Players from Russia connection issues   01/11/2007 01:52:27 PDT
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Dear Gelmkar, i cant connect to next servers:

Bronzebeard
Chromaggus
Dentarg
Dark'thul
Earthen Ring
Emeriss
Executus
Hakkar
Khadgar
Kul Tiras
Mazrigos
Moonglade
Ravencrest
Runetotem
Scarshield Legion
Shadowmoon
Shadowsong
Shattered Hands
Silvermoon
Skullcrusher
Spinebreaker
Steamwheedle Cartel
Stormrage
Stormreaver
Stormscale
Talnivarr
Terenas
Thunderhorn
Trollbane
Turalyon
Xavius

and i have found one concurrence between servers. All of them are in next battlegroups:

Cyclon
Reckoning
Ruin

Maby something wrong with this battlegroups?
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  • 325. Re: Players from Russia connection issues   01/11/2007 01:59:19 PDT
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Q u o t e:
If this is working for you all you are doing is using the direct IP address of the login servers, this would suggest a possible DNS routing problem, I will forward the information on but I would again suggest you contact your network providers.


Dear Gelmkar.
For the information of network team.

Tracert to eu.login... resolves another IP then listed in case of direct IP realmlist.wtf.
I think those IPs listed are the IPs of other Login servers... May be you have problems with "our" login server?
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  • Shadowmoon
  • 326. Re: Players from Russia connection issues   01/11/2007 06:39:04 PDT
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ja zaloginilsja vchera v 23.00 pervyj raz posle matenance ... neskolko dnej ne mog vojti voobsche ... )latency 5000+ eto rekord.... dlja menja )) minut cherez 20-25 vse stalo zashibis ... vyshe 100 latensi ne podnimalsja ) igral vsju noch bez problem ... addony ne stavil spetsom ... v 7.30 nachal rasti latensy ... nachalis lagi ... koroche paru diskonektov no udavalos zajti ... latensy 2000+ .. i v 8.00 zhopets nastal ... disknulo i vse ...


This man write that he can play in night, 11PM to 7AM. I can play too in this time... I think: just Blizzard cant agreement with Telia, and Telia dont connect over 10000 people (for example). I can mistake... Blizzard u can explain me and ALL people on this forum this situation???
Subscription my account elapsing 21 november. If early morning 21 november i cant login, i dont Subscribe my account and leave from World Of Warcraft. I think many people do it, if you dont decide this problem...
With best regards players from Belarus and over the World.
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  • 327. Re: Players from Russia connection issues   01/11/2007 07:18:46 PDT
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Minsk, Belarus.
The same tracert as on 17 pages above.
T-Compressor already full of fooled users that have to pay for 3rd party programs to have at least very lagged game.


Can't connect the game since the last patch. No raids, no epix... Is that the Blizzard demographic program? =)
Any chance to have it resolved, or your network-support team are busy in capturing headless freak?


Still regards...
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  • 328. Re: Players from Russia connection issues   01/11/2007 07:30:00 PDT
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Town, Country: Minsk, Belarus
When did the problem start: 27 Oct
Realms I'm unable to connect: StoneMaul
Realms I'm able to connect: I play only on one realm
IInternet Service Provider: http://cosmostv.by/


Q u o t e:
9th day without WOW...
nice tech support.. very fast.. very..
soon peoples will leave this game..


+1

AND WE ARE LOSING MONEY ! I payed for 2 month and I wanna play any time I want to ! What are you gonna do about the time we couldn't play ?

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  • 329. Re: Players from Russia connection issues   01/11/2007 09:09:17 PDT
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This post should explain everything.

First, some history:

[2 years ago]
http://play.tm/story/6445

[1 year ago]
http://www.gamespot.com/pc/rpg/worldofwarcraft/news.html?sid=6153703
http://forum.zensupport.co.uk/thread/28343.aspx
http://www.wowdaily.info/a.asp?a=2014028

[our days]
http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=1016193526&sid=1&pageNo=1
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=2518911648&sid=1

Now answers (a bit different situation but actually same):
http://wow.incgamers.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=376004

---repost here---
...

Blizzard have not been able to provide, as yet, any reassurances that they know what the problem is or when they are going to have it fixed. They have simply acknowledged that they know about the problem and that they are working on it.

The extent of their service runs to the usual, template, requests to send tracert logs to their technical service dept, either through the forums (currently dead) or via email (most likely clogged). This is of absolutely no use whatsoever, there is absolutely no correlation between the problems with Battlegroup 3 and the route over the internet there. I have done tracert to other servers in different BG clusters and they all look roughly the same. The current theory is that there is a problem with return packets being lost, our tracert logs will not show any of that because we cannot get deep enough into the Telia network. Also a packet lost is a packet lost, tracert does not provide any information as to whether or not the ping or its ack packet was lost.

So much for the technical disasters. These are only important because they are the cause of a situation which is fast becoming intolerable for those suffering it.

Many guilds have been losing days of raiding and PvP.
Their members are starting to ask questions about whether or not they should simply cough up the Paid Transfer Fee and move to a server in a different Battlegroup.
A feeling of general hopeless and laissez-faire is descending on players, why bother turning up when you only spend an evening relogging or wiping...

Of course any mass migration may cause the very breakdown in their new Battleground that they are trying to flee from in Battleground 3. So moving is simply too risky to seriously consider and why should people have to pay extra in order to guarantee themselves a service they already pay enough for.

So what can we do about this?

In a word, nothing.

We can follow their advice about deleting directories and mods, posting tracert logs. We can post about the problems but those Threads invariably get locked and/or deleted.

We can threaten to withdraw our subscription. They don't really care.
Blizzard are already losing players because of this and other problems, they are not going to move any faster.

Nothing and I mean nothing that we try is going to have any positive effect on the resolution of this. We are completely at the mercy of Blizzard and Telia here.

The situation in Europe, in particular with Battlegroup 3, is indicative of Blizzard's inability to provide us with both a reasonable standard of service and a Customer Care system which shows it does. There hasn't even been any kind of hint that those affected will be getting free days. Mind you, that would not be a trivial sum of money, currently Battlegroup 3 has been crippled for 9 days now and there is no end in sight.

I can only urge those of us who have been affected by this blight to demonstrate patience, keep the faith and never give up hope that things get sorted out soon. I for one feel that I have little other choice in the matter.
---end of repost---

Conclusion:
1) Telia (EU realms servers host provider) can not provide enough broadband to let all players play
2) Blizzard or Telia assigned certain priorities to IP groups, thats why TrafficCompressor helps (another IP group). Therefore tunnelling via some external tunnelers should help too (not tested).
3) Blizzard "buying time" asking players to do tracing, reseting and other useless actions. They already know how to fix problem but not doing it because have not enough motivation (not enough profit).

What we can do:
1) Continue poking Blizzard support in hope they will poke Telia support.
2) Escalate problem to mass media.

What blizzard can do:
1) Make subscription cost different for different groups, thus regulation number of players.
2) Upgrade Telia contracts so they provide more broadband and number of connections.
3) It's up to you Blizz.

p.s.: I know they don't care, but Blizz support really bad :)
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  • 330. Re: Players from Russia connection issues   01/11/2007 10:32:18 PDT
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Dear Blizzard, if you really have problem with Telia, plz solve your problems QUICKLY!!! We pay for World Of Warcraft, and we wanna have that for what we PAY!!!! It not problem our prowiders, it YOUR problem!
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  • 331. Re: Players from Russia connection issues   01/11/2007 10:32:32 PDT
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Omg Setec...really well said. Could not express it better :-( Though thing you've found out about the actual problem are very disappointing they at least give us some information on this situation.
Can't say that I'm very pleased with all what I've just read, I've already missed 1 week of raiding and if the problem will remain not sloved for the same time I will most likely lose my raiding spot if not the spot in my beloved guild.
Many of us have spent much, and it means MUCH, time leveling, gearing and what's most important making social connections in-game. Now ALL of these may be lost ......I wonder what the next step is?
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  • 332. Re: Players from Russia connection issues   01/11/2007 10:38:27 PDT
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Трассировка маршрута к 213-248-123-10.customer.teliacarrier.com [213.248.123.10]

с максимальным числом прыжков 30:

1 19 ms 15 ms 15 ms 82.209.213.113
2 15 ms 15 ms 15 ms 7606.gomel.by [82.209.213.10]
3 31 ms 31 ms 15 ms 193.232.249.14
4 31 ms 30 ms 31 ms 193.232.249.77
5 46 ms 46 ms 46 ms sl-gw11-sto-2-0.sprintlink.net [80.77.97.173]
6 46 ms 46 ms 46 ms sl-bb20-sto-12-0.sprintlink.net [80.77.96.97]
7 93 ms 93 ms 93 ms s-b3-link.telia.net [213.248.67.93]
8 93 ms 92 ms 93 ms s-hdn-i3-link.telia.net [80.91.249.69]
9 * * * Превышен интервал ожидания для запроса.
10 * * * Превышен интервал ожидания для запроса.
11 * * * Превышен интервал ожидания для запроса.
12 * * * Превышен интервал ожидания для запроса.
13 * * * Превышен интервал ожидания для запроса.
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  • 333. Re: Players from Russia connection issues   01/11/2007 11:45:27 PDT
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Трассировка маршрута к 213-248-123-14.customer.teliacarrier.com [213.248.123.14]

с максимальным числом прыжков 30:

1 33 ms 39 ms 33 ms 213.184.255.33
2 33 ms 37 ms 33 ms 82.209.214.121
3 195 ms 50 ms 42 ms 193.232.249.14
4 43 ms 43 ms 44 ms 193.232.249.77
5 59 ms 59 ms 59 ms sl-gw11-sto-2-0.sprintlink.net [80.77.97.173]
6 57 ms 57 ms 59 ms sl-bb20-sto-12-0.sprintlink.net [80.77.96.97]
7 135 ms 138 ms 131 ms s-b3-link.telia.net [213.248.67.93]
8 128 ms 133 ms 126 ms s-hdn-i3-link.telia.net [80.91.249.69]
9 * * * Превышен интервал ожидания для запроса.
10 * * * Превышен интервал ожидания для запроса.
11 * * * Превышен интервал ожидания для запроса.
12 * * * Превышен интервал ожидания для запроса.
13 * * * Превышен интервал ожидания для запроса.

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  • 334. Re: Players from Russia connection issues   01/11/2007 12:34:14 PDT
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- Your town and Country: Saint-Petersburg, Russia
- When did this problem start exactly?: 20,10,2007 high ping
- Internet Service Provider: Rybatskoe.net

Трассировка маршрута к 213-248-123-10.customer.teliacarrier.com [213.248.123.10]

с максимальным числом прыжков 30:

1 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms 89.104.121.1
2 1 ms <1 мс 1 ms 10.132.254.1
3 <1 мс <1 мс <1 мс 89.104.123.253
4 4 ms 4 ms 4 ms 194.67.47.113
5 20 ms 18 ms 16 ms p-l.Spb.gldn.net [62.141.126.9]
6 226 ms 229 ms 221 ms p-r.Moscow.gldn.net [194.67.30.81]
7 228 ms 217 ms 219 ms cat03.Moscow.gldn.net [195.239.13.102]
8 324 ms 255 ms 419 ms 64.209.96.69
9 246 ms 232 ms 237 ms 67.17.110.30
10 260 ms 256 ms * s-b3-link.telia.net [213.248.78.9]
11 282 ms 287 ms 300 ms s-hdn-i3-link.telia.net [80.91.249.69]
12 * * * Превышен интервал ожидания для запроса.
13 * * * Превышен интервал ожидания для запроса.
14 *

p.s. sorry, i speak in english very bad
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  • Shadowmoon
  • 335. Re: Players from Russia connection issues   01/11/2007 19:07:37 PDT
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At first, i am fully agree with you.


Some question

Q u o t e:

Escalate problem to mass media.

how we can do it???
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  • 336. Re: Players from Russia connection issues   01/11/2007 22:58:38 PDT
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At first, i am fully agree with you.


Some question how we can do it???


Easily :) You go to ag.ru, press "Contact" and write em "Guys, I have a very interesting material of the following contents" - just give em the forum link, they' re creative enough to make up a 2-page story out of this. Then you do the same at any major games portal (national google, like google.de, google.fr etc help to identify em easily) and repeat the process as many time as you see fit.

The more people do so - the better's the chance that articles will begin to appear. I think, a chance to poke Blizzard is rare and won't be missed :)

Best regards.
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  • Aerie Peak
  • 337. Re: Players from Russia connection issues   02/11/2007 01:33:11 PDT
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Q u o t e:


This man write that he can play in night, 11PM to 7AM. I can play too in this time...

+1
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  • 338. Re: Players from Russia connection issues   02/11/2007 06:35:28 PDT
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Blizzard, can I and people from this hooot topic to receive technical support from you?

We are not experts on network technologies, in difference from you, but we are ready to use the best efforts to help you.

All that we need - to play it for the characters on the realms, all that is necessary for you is our money) these problems with connection harm both to you and us...


p.s. Even having shown there is more than attention to problems of players you already can lower their irritation the present situation..

GL
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  • Scarshield Legion
  • 339. Re: Players from Russia connection issues   02/11/2007 07:53:17 PDT
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2) Escalate problem to mass media.



+1

Btw, we have 3d option - take it to the court. Actually our consumers rights are infringed. =)

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