Hi, I'm having some problems vs feral druids bear form as they dodge pretty much everything I do and I just can't dps them down, espesially if they've got feral tanking gear. So I'm just wondering what do you pro rogues do vs a bear?

Hello. I'm not a pro rogue I'm afraid.

I want to tell you to use double deadly, rupture and expose armour on the feral bear. This would make sense.

But I suspect the best thing to do is run away.

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I want to tell you to use double deadly,

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NO

CC and hope he's dead...
Imo never had problems with them, its maybe the gear

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Hi, I'm having some problems vs feral druids bear form as they dodge pretty much everything I do and I just can't dps them down, espesially if they've got feral tanking gear. So I'm just wondering what do you pro rogues do vs a bear?

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If they're high on hp rupture them, keep them locked down and make sure you use the standard stuff to mitigate damage. Once you've run out of CDs, you can apply a rupture and 5-8 kite them, then they can't do any damage to you. It takes a while to get used to, but if you remember touse blind when they aren't ruptured and they don't have anyone come help them you should be fine.

Simple answer: Spec 44/2/25 and run with wound/deadly.

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just 5-8 kite them while dotting piss easy

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How does the instant cyclone fit into this strategy now?

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How does the instant cyclone fit into this strategy now?

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its only procs when in kitty form (i think. i could be wrong ofc) so you could always wait any proc out while evasion tanking before doing this i imagine.
even at that i wouldnt say a good druid will just sit in bear form and let himself be kited to death like that. but that said its prob the best way to get the sucker outta bear form without burning too many cds.

in b4 rating trolls

edit: typos and shiz

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just 5-8 kite them while dotting piss easy

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Rofl, good luck doing that with a feral that isn't mentally challenged

From my experience druids go bear when at low health. Usually burning lots of Cd's to stay alive. Like Frenzied Regeneration, Barkskin etc. Best thing you do is just let him rage starve. Vanish if you can. Wait it out and reopen once his Cd's are up.

God knows I've helped my share of druids "health up" in my time.

I'm not in too high end PvP (read - I don't to arenas), but all I do is PvP for fun. So if my 2 cents are worth anything:

1) as instructed above, when the bear blows his CD's - frenzied regen (that looks like rejuvenation), enrage, +30% HP and likely a barkskin - don't just stand there hitting him. You are giving him rage and at that time rage = regenerated HP. CC and Stealth. But BEFORE you stealth make sure hes got wound poison on him, or else he will restore himself ~40% of HP from frenzied regen alone.

2) bear has no serious ranged attacks, you can try DoT him, clos mangle and try to stay at range. If you go too far he will charge and immobilize you. When you try to kite bear be aware that he might try to shift and drop a hot on himself, if you can catch him exposed hes done for.

3) expose armor, dots, stun, stay in behind - usual stuff.

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Bear is a tank. Do you have problems against protection warriors? Then why do you expect another tank to be different. Good druid will always keep a dot on you, so you WON'T be able to restealth. Good druid WILL use bear stun + cyclone you and drop cleanse poison and some major heals on himself. If you try and run away to restealth, druid will stealth too.

In my personal opinion druid is one of the best classes to counter rogues out there. That said, I found myself being much stronger than rogues only when I outgear them. I don't know how much that changes if you're talking about full relentless gear in 2k+ rating in arena.

But if you want to talk about that I would suggest saving yourself a trouble and heading straigth to http://www.arenajunkies.com/forumdisplay.php?f=51

Look for a glowing spot and hit it!
Or just aim for his eyes.
Okay, srsly.
Just a little piece of advice, you could save about 85 energy, rupture him, mutilate(twice if you have evasion up? Just get 3+cps) move away and pretend to 5-8 kiting him. He'll shift out and in again to reach you. You just ks him while he's out, and pewpew.. But we got 2 scenarios here.
1) He's okish. So he presses his bearform button, shifts out, triggers gcd, and you have ~1 sec(considering my standard 200ish latency) to throw in your kidney shot.
2) He's good. He removes(macro or right-click bearform buff) bearform, and instantly switches back in, since removing doesn't trigger gcd. You'll need prediction here.

Myself, I generally do enough damage to kill them face-to-face while popping some def stuff. 4.3k ap unbuffed hits hard) But maybe I just haven't met good druids lately.

Ellone, you might wan't to revise your strategies, striking the same form keybind youre currently in does not trigger GCD. Basicaly if youre in bear form and hit bear form keybind twice you just see a puff of dust around you, your caster form doesnt even appear, its that fast.

Downside of this is that (depending on spec) feral cat or bear is going to deplete his mana pool very quickly by shifting in and out. He is going to use innervate at some point and thats 1.5 seconds in caster form.

Provided you live that long, which by my experience is a "no". But then I'm a cat, not a tank.

Speaking of the subject, Important thing to keep in mind is that bear gets its rage deleted up to 10 when he shifts (note: most cats DOES NOT lose energy, only bears), so the more he shifts the better is for you. Keep in mind, that despite that bear can charge immediately upon shifting.

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Hello. I'm not a pro rogue I'm afraid.

I want to tell you to use double deadly, rupture and expose armour on the feral bear. This would make sense.

But I suspect the best thing to do is run away.

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Why double deadly lol ? Anyway ferals kinda counter rogues, but we can kill em. 44/2/25 or 44/4/23 envenom spec is great against them, bleed and envenom em dead.

I have not met any too challenging ferals even with the standard 41/5/25 build.
Usually I start with cs, muti, ks, muti, muti, rupture, vanish. Sprint away but stay close enough to open on him if he deforms. If he does, cheap shot him (yes, even though it's only 2 sec he takes pretty good damage). If he sits in bear, wait for full energy bar and open with garrote. Evasion immediately and just tank him. He should drop to around 30% from the initial rush and the rest is 5-8 kite etc.

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I have not met any too challenging ferals even with the standard 41/5/25 build.
Usually I start with cs, muti, ks, muti, muti, rupture, vanish. Sprint away but stay close enough to open on him if he deforms. If he does, cheap shot him (yes, even though it's only 2 sec he takes pretty good damage). If he sits in bear, wait for full energy bar and open with garrote. Evasion immediately and just tank him. He should drop to around 30% from the initial rush and the rest is 5-8 kite etc.

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No, if he is properly geared pvp'er he will drop to maybe 50% when your evasion drops.

Edit:
Best chance to win bear druid is to spec sub bleed spec, maybe shadowstep/CB or shadowdance.
Then open with premed garrote and shs rupture then sprint vanish and begin stunlock and apply another rupture and then evasion tank till expose and blind.
Depending if he uses trinket on blind you prep vanish or then restealth, clos if its needed.

I believe faerie fire is spell in forms also, so garrote prevents it in 1 appereance, doesnt it?
Anyway it takes around 1 sec.

best tactic imo. (a tactic i used to use in the bc) was to gauge or kidney shot.
spring away. usually they will then go cat form n start sprinting after you.
use cloak of shadows for fearie fire and then vanish just as they get close turn around and cheapshot...

it all has to be done pretty quickly and no mistakes can be made but used to work 100% for me =)
it all depends on the circumstances

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best tactic imo. (a tactic i used to use in the bc) was to gauge or kidney shot.
spring away. usually they will then go cat form n start sprinting after you.
use cloak of shadows for fearie fire and then vanish just as they get close turn around and cheapshot...

it all has to be done pretty quickly and no mistakes can be made but used to work 100% for me =)
it all depends on the circumstances

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bear charge, bash --> cat 10k shred and you die.

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best tactic imo. (a tactic i used to use in the bc) was to gauge or kidney shot.
spring away. usually they will then go cat form n start sprinting after you.
use cloak of shadows for fearie fire and then vanish just as they get close turn around and cheapshot...

it all has to be done pretty quickly and no mistakes can be made but used to work 100% for me =)
it all depends on the circumstances

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While stunned in cat form we receive 30% less damage form all sources. Add barkskin, which is on short cd, and you got yourself a tank long enough to outlast stunlock and switch to bear.

That said, it's possible to kill a druid without any fancy strategy. Depending on gear.