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Sucra

< Champions >

Spinebreaker

0. Population Issue 30/10/2009 09:34:12 PDT

Blizzard,
The situation on server became unbearable,
Realm Population Stats (from wowwiki)
Alliance: 1458 (10%) Horde: 12,876 (90%)

and take out all the non level 80....
we have no one to play with in this server, I demand an answer of what being done about it?

For example:
we Win Wintergrasp once a week and if you are not there when it happends you can not do voa 25.
It takes 45 min to 1 hour to arrange a group for daily heroic and then when you want to summon its impossible because the stone taken by the hordes.
we can not pug simple raids such as naxxramas we can not pug anything on this server.
I used to make naxxramas raids for pugs on friday but it took me 2 hours just fix up a group eventully I gave up,
I contacted you ingame billion times, asked you the same question, they only answered I recived is I will move the suggestion further.
we are paying you the same money different server are paying while we have terrible experience

I do not know how it can be solved merge with anouther server, or transfer.
People are tired of it, they want to have fun aswell.

Thanks in advance.

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Ordarion

< Blood of Heros >

Darkmoon Faire

1. Re: Population Issue 30/10/2009 09:41:55 PDT

The only way to achieve this imbalance is either for Bilzz to offer Free Transfers (and I believe they are doing that in both directions for some realms at present - see the login screen window)

OR

To enforce a merge of two different servers. Realistically this would bring in a mess of problems in terms of merging a vast amount of data together.

There are things coming up with regard to Battle.Net which, once it is fully enabled should allow for some wider inter-realm co-operation including better interrealm BG and also (as I understand it) inter-realm raids.

Other than that, its a "pay for migration" for you.
Maybe when the realm has zero alliance on it then something will happen?

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Rantus

< Rejection Role >

Balnazzar

2. Re: Population Issue 30/10/2009 09:41:57 PDT

Cross realm LFG might help you with dungeons, but for WG your probably screwed.
Hardly get WG over here either but since I didn't get the ach in the first week I can't do VoA anyway so it doesn't matter much to me, but I imagine imbalanced servers must suck.

Sucra

< Champions >

Spinebreaker

3. Re: Population Issue 30/10/2009 10:07:46 PDT

True but its not only about raids we can not recruit people..
there are simply none.

Selluna

Vek'nilash

4. Re: Population Issue 30/10/2009 10:20:02 PDT

Ok, let's try to sum this up:

Vek'nilash: high horde, low ally (PVP)
Magtheridon: high horde, low ally (PVP)
Spinebreaker: high horde, low ally (don't know, PvP?)

Now, everyone from realms with population issue quote me, and add your realm. Maybe something will be done (via server merge or what not).

However, I believe (and maybe am wrong) is that high horde servers are PvP or where some "famous guild is", whereas high ally servers are PvE.

Acctually, I am so desperate. I just did /who Dalaran and got a total of 9 people. Didn't see a single /2 trade sentence.

Sucra

< Champions >

Spinebreaker

5. Re: Population Issue 30/10/2009 14:27:29 PDT

I know the feeling,
Yes Spinebreaker is a pvp realm aswell.

It more then frustrating when you looking at other servers you can pug naxxramas in 15 min.
and on our server it can take ages..

Something must be done about it.

We pay the same money as other servers.
The phenomena happends on alot of servers around the world
So instead openning new server and be proud of it why dont blizzard merge some of the empty ones.

Sucra

< Champions >

Spinebreaker

6. Re: Population Issue 02/11/2009 17:27:29 PST

BUMP.

Caelia

Stormscale

7. Re: Population Issue 02/11/2009 18:30:19 PST

And yet people are screaming for new realms..
Hope all servers with these problems just get merged so they get a stable population.

Ayromis

Scarshield Legion

9. Re: Population Issue 03/11/2009 00:26:46 PST

Merging realms will increase the Alliance population, but also increase the Horde population, making the server full and unstable.

Plus, you'd still have the balance issues, since the Horde would still outnumber Alliance by a lot.

Not recommended, really.

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Rickz

< Fahrenheit >

Vek'nilash

10. Re: Population Issue 03/11/2009 00:36:35 PST

Q u o t e:
Ok, let's try to sum this up:

Vek'nilash: high horde, low ally (PVP)
Magtheridon: high horde, low ally (PVP)
Spinebreaker: high horde, low ally (don't know, PvP?)

Now, everyone from realms with population issue quote me, and add your realm. Maybe something will be done (via server merge or what not).

However, I believe (and maybe am wrong) is that high horde servers are PvP or where some "famous guild is", whereas high ally servers are PvE.

Acctually, I am so desperate. I just did /who Dalaran and got a total of 9 people. Didn't see a single /2 trade sentence.

There's nothing wrong with Vek'Nilash :O

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Vonrotten

< Dissident Aggressors >

Darkspear

11. Re: Population Issue 03/11/2009 01:14:27 PST

Darkspear horde are being outnumbered 5-1 (83%-17%, according to wowwiki), I wish they'd merge us with a horde favored realm to make it more equal.
I know that server balance is so hard to maintain cause more players are rolling Ally than Horde. :(

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Vonrotten

< Dissident Aggressors >

Darkspear

12. Re: Population Issue 03/11/2009 01:24:19 PST

Q u o t e:
Cross realm LFG might help you with dungeons, but for WG your probably screwed.
Hardly get WG over here either but since I didn't get the ach in the first week I can't do VoA anyway so it doesn't matter much to me, but I imagine imbalanced servers must suck.

Feel bad for ya, mate. I only got the achievements recently on my Rogue (retired my Sp for a bit) and it's been hell to try and get into a group without achivements.
They were a bit reluctant to take me in that group, but luckily a few guldies were with and vouching for me. Rest of the group went quiet after I was top dps after first boss anyways.

But this whole "link achivement" is kinda ruining parts of the game. I've been in pug raids and even some people with achivements dunno wtf to do, they must've been carried through, but still able to get into another pug raid, "cause I haz achievement".

Notcreative

< Mushroom >

Kor'gall

13. Re: Population Issue 03/11/2009 04:02:29 PST

We feel the same here on Korgall (pvp)
the lack of allys makes daily quest realy boring, no world pvp at all, saw max 6 allys at the same time at Sm this week :S kinda regret moving from outland tbh.

Give us some more free migration to Korgall for the alliance, we need more allys :D

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Aliyaah

< The Four Sisters >

Spinebreaker

14. Re: Population Issue 03/11/2009 04:07:41 PST

Seeing that this post is bound to disappear into the deep dungeon of the forum archives, I would like to share my point of view.

Playing on Spinebreaker is no longer fun. I chose this server because it's a PVP server. Now, paticipating in a Wintergrasp event where 160 hordes faceroll about 10 alliance or the 'For The Horde' achievement can be done with a party of 5 players is not my idea of PVP.

How can this be fixed? I don't know. Free character migration doesn't work. Nobody is going to transfer to a server where the faction's action house is empty or where you have to wait for hours to get some sort of raid together.

I really don't want to leave Spinebreaker, so my guild is commited to do something about the problem. Just recently we started making alliance alts to at least try and fix the problem. Soon, we're going to create our alliance guild. Our contribution is small, but it's a start.

Personally I think that is a good idea. After all, I didn't pay for half a game and would like to explore both factions. If it's fixing the alliance population imbalance then why not?

Maybe more horde players should follow our example, because I think that the Spinebreaker population are the only ones that can actually fix the problem.

On a side note: If there was only a way to transfer heirloom (BoA) items to our shiny new alliance alts it would speed up the process considerably. Make it so, Mr. Blizzard!

Wryxian

Blizzard Poster

15. Re: Population Issue 03/11/2009 06:16:01 PST

Q u o t e:
I really don't want to leave Spinebreaker, so my guild is commited to do something about the problem. Just recently we started making alliance alts to at least try and fix the problem. Soon, we're going to create our alliance guild. Our contribution is small, but it's a start.

Personally I think that is a good idea. After all, I didn't pay for half a game and would like to explore both factions. If it's fixing the alliance population imbalance then why not?

Maybe more horde players should follow our example, because I think that the Spinebreaker population are the only ones that can actually fix the problem.

Truly commendable. I salute both you and your guild mates.

We are beyond being "just aware" of faction imbalances on some realms; we set up FCMs and we do actively think about other ways to help resolve this. This isn't something that has fallen off our radar. We have considered and still do consider various ideas, including many often suggested ones.

But I feel your point is a fair one: greater balance would be easier to attain if more people were prepared to actively try out the other faction on realms where that faction is lower in population. Maybe the lure of Cataclysm's Goblins and Worgen will help people consider a faction holiday, or a full out defection to the opposing faction! ;-)

The good news is not everybody has given up, including you and your guild and including us. Here's a recent example of a player-driven initiative that looked promising for Magtheridon Alliance: http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=10920573014&sid=1&pageNo=1

So to reiterate: we commend player driven efforts to help achieve greater balance, but it is also something that we are not just aware of but actively thinking about with, of course, the aim of improving the balance.

Q u o t e:
On a side note: If there was only a way to transfer heirloom (BoA) items to our shiny new alliance alts it would speed up the process considerably. Make it so, Mr. Blizzard!

Then the good news is that, if you're able to patiently wait for patch 3.3 you will probably be rewarded with the very thing you're requesting. That's right, we aim to implement the ability to exchange bind-on-account items between your Horde and Alliance characters in patch 3.3. Of course, as with anything not yet live (and even things that are) this is subject to change, but it currently remains our intention. Hope that helps somewhat, or rather, hope that will help somewhat. ;-)

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Hellstomper

Sylvanas

16. Re: Population Issue 03/11/2009 06:36:52 PST

Spinebreaker really needs a FCM for alliance players.
If there's one coming up, I'm coming over.

Lughnasadh

< Divinus Tactus >

The Sha'tar

17. Re: Population Issue 03/11/2009 06:40:50 PST

Free gifts for FCMs to help fix pop issues?

This may help to convince people, even if it is just a free vanity pet or something..

Gwalchgwyn

< Bad Taste >

Draenor

18. Re: Population Issue 03/11/2009 06:47:12 PST

Q u o t e:
Free gifts for FCMs to help fix pop issues?

This may help to convince people, even if it is just a free vanity pet or something..

Thats exactly what i was just thinking. Give a pet, mount or some sort of BoA item for using a free migration service. Although i guess many people abuse this just to get the reward by taking the migration then switching back.

Unless ofc the items could be faction bound or destroyed if the owner of the item switches from that realm.

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Zvicinou

< Sweet Serenity >

Burning Steppes

19. Re: Population Issue 03/11/2009 06:54:58 PST

on the burning steppes it is the same thing.

allies are outnumbered.

and on karazhan, reason i stopped playing my ally mage.
and on a other server i made a new ally. AQ something, cant spell it :)
also same thing low amount of allies.

edit : sidenote. all 3 are pvp realms.

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