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Slorkuz

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0. 28/10 Disenchanting in Dungeons in Patch 3.3 28/10/2009 12:20:42 PDT

As we mentioned in the recent post explaining the new Dungeon System, disenchanting will work a little differently in all 5 player and raid dungeons when patch 3.3 is released. We have seen a consistent pattern where players eventually need very few items from dungeons and they result to disenchanting as much of the loot as possible since those materials that can be obtained continue to have a lot of worth.

When the new Dungeon System is launched, the default user interface will give players the option to automatically disenchant items that they obtain in 5 player and raid dungeons. This option will avoid the hassle of having items picked up by an enchanter first to redistributed later and overall will make the process much smoother.

Also, with the inclusion of cross-realm-instancing in the dungeon system, there will be restrictions on trading items similar to the restrictions that are currently active in Battlegrounds. If the Dungeon System is used to complete a group for a dungeon then non-temporary items will not be able to be traded in the instance. This makes it so items like enchanting materials will not be able to be traded in the dungeon and using the new user interface option will be the only way to distribute disenchants. There will be some exceptions to this restriction though as Bind-on-Pickup items will continue to be trade-able to those present for the kill for a short duration and completely pre-formed groups that don’t use the Dungeon System to form the group will still allow trades.

To maintain the importance of the profession itself, the disenchanting UI option will only be available for groups that have a character with the necessary level of Enchanting to disenchant the items that are obtained.

We are very excited about the upcoming improvements in the new Dungeon System and don’t forget to check out the full preview here for all the details: http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=11155682684

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1. Re: 28/10 Disenchanting in Dungeons in Patch 28/10/2009 12:46:21 PDT

Q u o t e:

To maintain the importance of the profession itself, the disenchanting UI option will only be available for groups that have a character with the necessary level of Enchanting to disenchant the items that are obtained.

Well, I guess 1 out of 2 questions answered isn't all that bad.
Can enchanters decide not to enable the DE option in the loot system?
(yes/No/in the study)

btw, if I may add one, will a greed win over a DE? or are they on the same level?

Q u o t e:

We are very excited about the upcoming improvements in the new Dungeon System and don’t forget to check out the full preview here for all the details: http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=11155682684

Thanks for the link, I hope to find one piece of good news about the next patch soon

Bobt

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Azjol-Nerub

2. Re: 28/10 Disenchanting in Dungeons in Patch 28/10/2009 13:20:03 PDT

Great, so now we'll get even less mats since everyone will ALWAYS want dibbs on the shards. :/

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Stridur

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Twisting Nether

3. Re: 28/10 Disenchanting in Dungeons in Patch 28/10/2009 13:32:18 PDT

Sounds great, good to see some money come back my way after I spent 4,000-5,000g leveling enchanting, now that other players get half my mats I guess I'll have to wait until cataclysm until I get my cash back in mats since these days people expect free enchants now they get the mats also.

/sarcasm.

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4. Re: 28/10 Disenchanting in Dungeons in Patch 28/10/2009 14:24:21 PDT

So, do I get the choice if I want to DE for a PUG? As a rule I don't and greed along with everyone else.

Okun

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Trollbane

5. Re: 28/10 Disenchanting in Dungeons in Patch 28/10/2009 14:27:34 PDT

Nice tool for the Matchmaking side but for Premade I really hope we don't see such LFG posts as "LF1M DPS, IC - Link Epic,Achi and Enchantment level"

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Steamwheedle Cartel

7. Re: 28/10 Disenchanting in Dungeons in Patch 28/10/2009 17:12:22 PDT

Likewise. Itt's always offended me on some level that people think themselves entitled to a service provided by enchanters just because they're there and it doesn't cost them anything. None of the other gathering professions cost anything, yet those are to be treated differently somehow?

And now Blizzard's gone and automated it for them? If so, there should be an opt-out for enchanters in PUGs. Or an option to charge whoever gets the shard X gold for the service. Throw in a little confirmation pop-up, or display the cost near the DE button, and If there's more than one enchanter in the group the lowest bidder 'wins'.

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9. Re: 28/10 Disenchanting in Dungeons in Patch 28/10/2009 17:44:47 PDT

I'd like to see an option to turn it off just so it's fair to the Enchanter. Might solve some of the problems.
Also if the Enchanter doesn't want to do it but the group wants the mats then they can find an Enchanter that's happy to help.

My main is a Leatherworker/Skinner and I never get time to stop and skin anything as no-one stops to wait for me :(
Everyone stops for the loot roll though.

With my Enchanter I DE things for my party if they win the roll and want the mats. (The new system gives a few hrs for BOP stuff to be passed around.)
I know a few people are worried about this though as there are a few naughty Enchanters that run off with the mats.

I think somewhere it said that the DE and Greed roll are counted on the same roll table.
(If a person rolls Greed and someone else rolls DE and the Greed roll wins then they get the item, But if the DE roll wins then they get the Shard. Also if someone rolls Need they will always get the item.)

Bigsofty

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Agamaggan

10. Re: 28/10 Disenchanting in Dungeons in Patch 28/10/2009 18:19:24 PDT

At least you have to have an enchanter in the group for the option to be available. Thanks for that common sense at least.

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Nagrand

11. Re: 28/10 Disenchanting in Dungeons in Patch 28/10/2009 23:37:13 PDT

So if im a enchanter, i can just need on everything and Disenchant for myself later ?

Seems like a great feature for me as a enchanter :) Sure im not gonna be good friends with rest of group but who cares they are most likely from other servers.

Curumor

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The Maelstrom

12. Re: 28/10 Disenchanting in Dungeons in Patch 28/10/2009 23:38:45 PDT

Q u o t e:
Likewise. Itt's always offended me on some level that people think themselves entitled to a service provided by enchanters just because they're there and it doesn't cost them anything. None of the other gathering professions cost anything, yet those are to be treated differently somehow?

Yeah, you'll have to take that gripe up with fellow enchanters. I've yet to group with one who didn't eagerly offer to DE any blue or purple no one needed, so you got yourselves to blame there, just like people expecting enchants for free.

That said, there should be an option for the enchanter to turn it off, if he wants to. You did after all earn the right to those extra gold a shard will bring over an item.

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13. Re: 28/10 Disenchanting in Dungeons in Patch 28/10/2009 23:48:43 PDT

No, you cannot need on everything, only on your class items (aka pally can need on plate, but not on cloth etc.). So yeah in theory you can ninja some items that are meant for your class (aka priest can have mage cloth, but in those pugs anyway everyone will be needing on those, aka for my other spec.) - but it hardly is worth trouble to waste an hour cleaning trash just to get booted from group after first boss because you are greedy for shards/enchant mats.

As it is in PTR, you do not have any option to enable/disable enchant option as enchanter, it is just there. You basically have 3 roll options, need, greed if nobody wants the item, greed if nobody wants an item and de it. So basically de is greed roll, just that you get shard instead of actual item.

Personally I don't mind this option, at least it will get enchant materials costs to somewhat more reasonable level. Sucks for those who spent a lot of gold leveling enchant asap (though de'ing all quest rewards/random drops gives you enough stuff, just not fast enough for some maybe), but good for everyone else. Also it gives additional benefit for enchanters to get group invites, so stop QQ.

Lobotomy

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Frostmane

14. Re: 28/10 Disenchanting in Dungeons in Patch 29/10/2009 00:18:19 PDT

Q u o t e:

Yeah, you'll have to take that gripe up with fellow enchanters. I've yet to group with one who didn't eagerly offer to DE any blue or purple no one needed, so you got yourselves to blame there, just like people expecting enchants for free.

That said, there should be an option for the enchanter to turn it off, if he wants to. You did after all earn the right to those extra gold a shard will bring over an item.

If an enchanter didn't offer to DE at all, how would you know he was one?

Plenty of times in pugs where they ask "Any DE?" and I just keep silent and portal out.

I never left.

Curumor

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The Maelstrom

15. Re: 28/10 Disenchanting in Dungeons in Patch 29/10/2009 00:35:30 PDT

Q u o t e:

If an enchanter didn't offer to DE at all, how would you know he was one?

Plenty of times in pugs where they ask "Any DE?" and I just keep silent and portal out.

True enough. But I tend to inspect the gear of everyone in a PuG (kinda paranoid about ninjas), so their profession will usually show there. Plus they always seem to DE anything they win sometime during the instance. I just don't see many thinking "Oh god, I hope no one realizes I'm an Enchanter".
Though some have probably slipped under the radar, so to speak..

But it doesn't change the fact that people expect Enchanters to DE, because they "always" do.

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Nordrassil

16. Re: 28/10 Disenchanting in Dungeons in Patch 29/10/2009 00:53:25 PDT

Q u o t e:

Well, I guess 1 out of 2 questions answered isn't all that bad.
Can enchanters decide not to enable the DE option in the loot system?
(yes/No/in the study)

btw, if I may add one, will a greed win over a DE? or are they on the same level?

Thanks for the link, I hope to find one piece of good news about the next patch soon

Why would you want to disable the feature? Boss drops that nobody needs get disenchanted anyway, and with the large amount of enchanters running around you'll almost definitely have someone in the group who can disenchant the unwanted loot. Even the greens that get greeded eventually get disenchanted because people aren't isolated islands - amazingly, they have friends and most likely one of their friends can disenchant the greens. And to keep the amount of disenchanted materials flowing around the economy reasonable, they put a fallback which allows group disenchanting only if there's an enchanter present so in those rare groups where there are no disenchanters there won't be a sudden influx of disenchant materials.

But if the issue you have is that you won't be able to greed all the unwanted items, win some and then disenchant for yourself without any person from that "pesky group you had to party with to get those items" demanding a roll for the shards, in that case I can only hope you'll take a different profession and "punish" the world of warcraft for being so mean to you.

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17. Re: 28/10 Disenchanting in Dungeons in Patch 29/10/2009 01:47:36 PDT

Sounds good, though according to http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=20677331778&sid=1

Q u o t e:

To maintain the importance of the profession itself, the disenchanting UI option will only be available for groups that have a character with the necessary level of Enchanting to disenchant the items that are obtained.

A bit meh, but at least we don't have to ask for 'DE' in the beginning of every dungeon.

My other concern is that, nowadays we (on Draenor) choose to roll for the shards in the end of the run. That way 'x' number of highest rollers get one shard. Unfortunately, this new interface system forces us back to what it was back in the day: someone might get lucky with all shard rolls since they're rolled one at a time.

Nice feature though.

Edit: found some details concerning the new system.

[ Post edited by Noumad ]

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Sporeggar

18. Re: 28/10 Disenchanting in Dungeons in Patch 29/10/2009 02:15:43 PDT

Q u o t e:
Sounds good, no need to have or ask for an enchanter during every run. Auto-enchant ftw!

My only concern is that, nowadays we (on Draenor) choose to roll for the shards in the end of the run. That way 'x' number of highest rollers got one shard. Unfortunately, this new interface system forces us back to what it was back in the day: someone might get lucky with all shard rolls since they're rolled one at a time.

Nice feature though.

Did you read it right, you do need an enchanter. Thats the point of enchanters complaining about it. If there is no enchanter in your group you will NOT be able to disenchant anything.

To be honest I'm quite disappointed that Blizzard haven't addressed the whole "enchanters have no choice" when designing this feature. It sets a precedent that your profession is actually not your own and at any point in the future Blizzard could decide to share the profession you leveled on a character with the rest of the playerbase without asking you or giving you the option to say No.

[ Post edited by Cereania ]

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19. Re: 28/10 Disenchanting in Dungeons in Patch 29/10/2009 02:16:38 PDT

Well I suppose you could make an agreement within a group that whoever won last shard, passes on next - especially if it is server group that is used to the old way of how things work.

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