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maybe the US blues are more talkative. Everyone actually has a character of their own. I think it's a little silly to immediately start assuming they HATE us.

hatred is a big word you know.

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They DISLIKE US INTENSELY.

Reason that the EU and US fora will never be merged is the same reason that allies and hordes can't communicate between them.

Flames.






A solution would be devs start posting here, not merging.

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never quite understood why we could not post on US forums...

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The forums separation probably has also technical aspects, as well as historical ones (US ones were there first, then EU got theirs, separated, because of launch, etc)
etc,etc,etc. there are many reasons, why they haven't joined us at the begining. There are adittional why they don't join now, too: chaos =)

However, the solution is actually very very simple. Keep the EU forums. Keep the US forums. keep everyone's forums!...but make a new Forum, where the developers will mainly speak. English language, of course, but an International Forum. It's really that simple. A feedback, bugs, whatever, International Forum. Keep the General forums and what not on their respective forums. Simply merge the most important aspect of all: game balancing, ideas and bugs, as a whole, worldwide, forum. Forum rulas still apply, Eu post on EU, etc. But EVERYONE can post on the International one. Doesn't anyone see this? I think it's the best solution, and a good one. You'll get the brightest ideas on the same place, for the developers to read (and the worse, but the worse are always there anyways).

Yeah, US Blizzard doesn't care about EU, that's why WoW isn't released in Europe. Oh, wait.

Merging US with EU forums is a bad idea, not only will it results in more threads being posted every minute than any human being can keep up with, it also spawns mass protests from the non-EU/US forums, who will demand the same thing.

That and the fact that Ghostcrawler is only one man who likes to reply to threads in his spare time, if he would have to spend hours reading and replying to the EU forums (and other country forums, who would be right to claim equal treatment), he wouldn't even have time to sleep/eat/work on DEVELOPING THE FREAKING GAME!

Do you really need a blue person to come to your thread, hold your hand as he pats you gently on the head and whisper sweet things into your ear? These forums get read, the most informative and constructive ideas/criticism gets forwarded, which cuts away about 99% of the bull-crap posts on this forum (that would be a waste of time for the developers to read).

Only reason why the flaming keeps on going is because Blizzard doesn't slap them with the banhammer enough.

Increased forum moderation *will* increase the quality of this forum and reduce the flaming

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that's indeed true. once one person starts with the "difference between europe and america" everyone will join in on the fight.

and the excessive flaming is already a big issue right now.

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Make an International forum with strict rules, like I mentioned on my post. And not just for EU and US, anyone that wants to participate. Only for developer feedback/constructive criticism/etc. Anything else, people get a ban. period. Wanna flame/talk about the weather, do it on your forums.

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However, the solution is actually very very simple. Keep the EU forums. Keep the US forums. keep everyone's forums!...but make a new Forum, where the developers will mainly speak. English language, of course, but an International Forum. It's really that simple. A feedback, bugs, whatever, International Forum. Keep the General forums and what not on their respective forums. Simply merge the most important aspect of all: game balancing, ideas and bugs, as a whole, worldwide, forum. Forum rulas still apply, Eu post on EU, etc. But EVERYONE can post on the International one. Doesn't anyone see this? I think it's the best solution, and a good one. You'll get the brightest ideas on the same place, for the developers to read (and the worse, but the worse are always there anyways).

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And everyone will flock to those forums and the regular US/EU forum will resemble Exodar. Yeah, no.

I'd like to refer people to this thread that has a lot of good discussion about some of these topics:
http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=7701050350&sid=1&pageNo=1

For reasons unknown to me it has been locked, so maybe we are supposed to continue here?

Ok, so I guess that Ghostcrawler doesn't have an eu copy. So it is impossible for him to react sometimes here to let us know if he saw a briliant idea or whatever.

So, some blue make an level 1 alt for the dude please.

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I feel the need to ask those quoted to read what Ghostcrawler has said once more, namely the bit you have both omitted:Forums that can be understood by developers will be read by developers. It would be a complete waste of resources if they were not, right? No where has he said they do not read the English forums, since all developers are 'au fait' with the language, it would be insane for them to ignore them.

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Then why do they not reply and post comments - like they do on the U.S forums?

Surely if they can read and understand the comments, why not respond?

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Then why do they not reply and post comments - like they do on the U.S forums?

Surely if they can read and understand the comments, why not respond?

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If the Devs that frequents the american forums started answering as you want them too here on the european forums, then it wouldn't be fair to the non-english forums that they didnt get dev-answers on their forums

that the dev-team answers and posts on an american forum, which is readable by us too, is something they dont have to do, but something they do anyway

and Blizz european peons (well they work hard as peons) still take their time to post the most essential info drom the dev-team. not all that most of us the players want, but it is still a lot

and as they have stated a lot of times, what we say on these forums still come to the attention of the dev-team


this is not the social health care system, or any other public service, we as the gamers should be happy that blizzard is taking to mind so much of what we say and do about their games :)

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http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=7701050350&pageNo=1&sid=1#6

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Ancilorn,

given that your role is Customer Service (you keep the community informed and pass along feedback, which to me is Customer Service of a type), wouldn't you agree that given we have 1 of these threads appear every week

it might be worth you passing along to the US something like "hey guys, be helpful if you could maybe comment abit in the other region forums as its creating a large issue"

and I say large issue, as this keeps appearing again and again, and linking to a thread from January, just shows how the issue has been going this year

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Forums that can be understood by developers will be read by developers. It would be a complete waste of resources if they were not, right? No where has he said they do not read the English forums, since all developers are 'au fait' with the language, it would be insane for them to ignore them.

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(When I type GC, that include all developers active on the forum, I'm just lazy)
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Another thing that would be (read: is already) a waste of resources is to make several million players feel shut out from the slim but still existant possibility to have their ideas impact the game. So GC lives in another timezone and he doesn't know french. Internet is still available 24h regardless of where you live and the english EU forum seem perfectly fine for both GC to read and communicate with the EU community directly.

A: The forums wouldn't go beserk if he read up and posted some on EU forumthreads even if US had priority and he read them and answered with delay suitable to match the ammount of time he has.

B: The excuse about the different languages is irritating. Even tho some players in the larger countries enjoy a forum in their native langues, it does not rule out that they are automaticly poor at english.
It just does not hold up that US devolopers doesn't interact with the EU playerbase cos a small minority does not speak english but that the vast majority speak german, russian etc. AND english.
Either this should be addressed our we could at least hear the statement:
-" The ammount of information we receive from the forum is so vast that we decided to focus on the US forum only"-
That would of cos mean that EU input isn't as valuable but at least it would be honest. Frankly, option B above is so flawed that it cannot possible be true :)

Sometimes US CMs can be quite dismissive when it comes to recognizing input from forum users, leading to the assumption from us that they only read the flames and not the constructive posts.

When a blue posts his opinion that he never saw something constructive about a subject, I would often like to refer him to some of the constructive threads that happen on both the US and EU forums.

This can often make me feel that what the posters write is being ignored.



I personally think that making a developer newsletter where developers can share their ideas on game design is a much better option than commenting a bit randomly on forums. I'd much rather hear what GC thinks is important himself, than have him explain himself to the masses of the forum posters.

Same with the other developers that we don't see.

As much as I understand and acknowledge information regarding Developers (in this case strong feedback on Ghostcrawler himself on the forums) reading EU EN forums it does leave distaste that we (not to rant your hard work - cause obv. you and your co-workers arent slacking) are feeling ignored mainly cause of lack of feed back here on EU EN forums by thus persons (people dont like quotes or links to what he said on US EN forums).
If there are many great ideas coming from EU then why not discuss them with us by developers themselfs? I hope you understand the feeling majority of EU players have.
Imo you do good enough work with lets call it connecting, but overall distaste and feeling remains.

Q: Do devs read our opinions?
A: Yes, they do.
Q: Do they discuss them what they find interesting with the authors?
A: No, they dont.

Thats kinda the basic idea...

For once Id love to see US and EU forums merged and compiled into their representative language groups - EU EN with US EN, EU ESP with US ESP and so on... Id like to have a discussion with a developer himself not the middleman (no offence Ancilorn and other blues) just like it is on the US forums.

What merge would bring in positive aspects? - 24/5 support basically.