get skills and level to 80?



lol

Lol, you gotta laugh at the blue's answer - just a little. They don.t answer it.

Well they kinda did, they supported it as far as recognising the player base, and even put the XP option in just for you, now, if there's not enough twinks out there to get a BG started, then they're saying its your problem not theirs, they cant be blamed if not enough ppl want to play the same way you wish to.

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The only fair way to do this though is to separate the twinks from everyone else, and thus you have whatever is left over in the twink queues. [/i][/ul]
Source: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=19110336708&sid=1&pageNo=1#18

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Thank you for your contribution to the topic, even though it just demonstrates how far Blizzard have moved from the core concept of MMO's and to a dumbed down, casual friendly, hard core unfriendly childrens game.

Blizzard seem to have their own definition of what is fair, which I suppose is their right in their own game.

Please consider that the play values of MMO's since conception is to gain the best equipment so as to obtain the maximum advantage over the environment and other competing players. I fail to see how not separating Hard core (Twinks) and casuals levelling through a bracket is unfair when compared to the end game.

Add to this the utter hypocrisy of the blizzard twinked Deathknight in the 50's bracket, which makes a total nonsense of the destruction of the Vanilla 60 AV players.

What hurts lvl capped Vanilla and TBC players is not only what was done with recent patch changes, but also how it was done i.e. with no forwarning or notice, after accepting RL payments for account changes and server transfers.

Whether you like it or not this will be perceived as cynically "ripping off" players and as the poorest form of customer service.

Redolak I agree 100%. Hope you wont get banned like my friend just did for criticising the same answer from the blue's. But I guess thats how low they have gone by now in customer care.

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I'm going to quote Zarhym on this one:

I wouldn't say we recognize it to be a problem. There are those who love to twink characters, purposefully trying to stay at a specific level with specific gear just so they're more powerful than the majority of the characters within at least 4 or 5 levels of them. Then there are those who wouldn't mind playing in a Battleground for fun now and then during the leveling process, particularly now that experience is offered. If Battleground queue times for twinks on any given Battlegroup are so long, I think it just goes to show what a small, niche form of game play twinking is.

As a company, we've never officially supported twinking. We've just been allowing it this whole time. Now with patch 3.2, we're technically supporting twinking by allowing players who aren't level capped to play in Battlegrounds without risking leveling up. The only fair way to do this though is to separate the twinks from everyone else, and thus you have whatever is left over in the twink queues.

Source: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=19110336708&sid=1&pageNo=1#18

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You nerfed twinking enormously, making huge changes in game play and then making seperate battleground for us when most people allready quit? And then you say that it shows how small, niche form of game play twinking is? Am i the only one who sees the logic in this?

And what about the server hopping twinks? So they actually destroyed it for us by all going to 1 battlegroup?

But thx anyway for giving a reply.

Please correct me but to me there are 3 kinds of twinks.

The first one are the one's that want to 1-shot players 4-5 lvls below them for the lulz. To you i say !!@# off. Go play oblivion and !!@# around with the console so you can 1-shot everything.

The second are the one's who doesnt want to lvl all the way to lvl 80 because it "takes too long" and want their end game at lvl x9. To you i say play Guild wars =) lvl cap is at lvl 20 and its all about the skill of the players. There are other games but WoW bros.

Then there's number 3 and they want to play against other twinks at their lvl because they enjoy fighting players at their skill-level. To you i say if you cant pay the 1-time price of what? 70 bucks? then maybe you should reconsider your sub to WoW.

I dont see why twinks should get a free realm change just because they WANT to twink because they might be bored on their mains as if there are no other games in the world but WoW. Go hang out with friends or go skating =) maybe play red faction or CoD4?

If ive misunderstood everything please explain to me why a certain type of players should get free realm changes.

Or you can just google "Twink" and find out what you really are, and what it actually means.

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Thank you for your contribution to the topic, even though it just demonstrates how far Blizzard have moved from the core concept of MMO's and to a dumbed down, casual friendly, hard core unfriendly childrens game.

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Please consider that the play values of MMO's since conception is to gain the best equipment so as to obtain the maximum advantage over the environment and other competing players. I fail to see how not separating Hard core (Twinks) and casuals levelling through a bracket is unfair when compared to the end game.

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Right. So. By that logic there shouldn't even be any brackets? All players should join the same brackets and level 80s would get to one-shot everybody? After all the level 80's have embraced the "play values of MMO's" and actually gained the best possible advantages in gear and levels over those that insist on staying at lower levels.

In other news: in-game death should be permanent, tune in at 9 for more flawed logic.

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Don't waste your time, twinking is more or less dead. Just hope you're some of the people lucky enough to play in a bracket on a battlegroup that's active enough to get no exp BG pops.

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It is, indeed, still something we're looking at. We don't have an immediate solution for players who feel that the "twink" base is too fragmented. We will continue to think on solutions to this issue and discuss the ramifications of any decisions we make. If we eventually get to the point that we are able to make a statement that will change the situation as it stands, we will make it then. Until then, you should feel free to re-read both Zarhym and my initial responses to this thread.
[ Post edited by Crygil ]

Ok, till then some of my accounts are on hold.

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Disagreeing with the direction we take the game is fine. However - it does not grant a free pass to expressing yourself in an inappropriate manner (especially when specifically posting that you are fully aware that you are breaking the forum rules in the process).

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Really - I've just read the post - yes, she did say you would probably ban her, but in fact she did not write anything that is worth a ban, other than she was owning you and your post, and your answer that isnt an answer, all this you obviosly didnt like so you had to ban her. gj (or in wow terms epic fail).

Aye
we vote by wallets

I'm going to tweak the terminology a bit, it might help the discussion get a bit less heated and a bit more open-minded. The problem, as I see it, is that there's three type of players in low-level BGs:

Levellers
Players who have no intention of twinking, are just in the BG to have some fun to break up their questing experience.

Gankers
Players who twink out their character for the purpose of getting cheap kills on levellers.

Twinks
Players who twink out their character for the purpose of getting interesting combat on roughly an equal gear footing to other twinks.

Gankers are the rogue element here, and the people that those who vehemently oppose twinking generally refer to as the problem; however, it's important to understand that there are the other sort of twinks in the game as well.

The problem is that this is a symbiotic relationship; Gankers *require* Levellers in their battleground to enjoy it. Twinks *require* Gankers and Levellers in their BG to enjoy it - take away the Levellers, and the Gankers lose interest; take away the Gankers, and what is left is too small a population to sustain regular battles.

Unfortunately for the Twinks, while it's true that they had no real intention to give Levellers an unpleasant BG experience, they were reliant on the Levellers for their own fun - the Levellers brought the Gankers, and between them they brought enough people to make up a BG.

One statistic I'd love to see is to find out if the number of Levellers regularly playing low-level BGs has increased significantly if they're now getting a more enjoyable user experience out of them. While it's anecdotal at best, I've heard from quite a few guildies who've indicated that they're finding low-level BGs a lot more fun.


If this really is an endemic problem, I wonder if there's a possibility to introduce an option to run BGs at different scales. 5-man WSG, 10-man AB? It might not quite be what you're used to, but it should work to actually make battles happen. Indeed, I must admit I really rather like the idea of 5-man WSG; it might make a nice entry-level BG for groups who may have spent levelling time getting to know each other in instances if they can then take the selfsame group into a BG.

i first want to say i dont like twink never did and will never do
i am happy that that blizz has taken this with BG as the twinks has destroyed so many BG
for me and other under these years that blizz has throw a blind eye to this problem
was that not sufficient for u twinks now u are asking even more from us non twinks
to put u with u i do hope u die out
look at the BG at low lvl i have never hade this mutch fun and it full of life and players can use ther skills and spells
to compare low lvl BG to end game BG is just stupid
i do support that u get your own BG so ther rest of us can stop seening this typ of posts

I dont feel any pain for twinks as the vast majority want to run around killing others with minimum effort having bankrolled the twink off their main. Now they are forced to fight each other it seems they dont find it so much fun , quelle suprise!!!

Normal BG's are now better without the twinks.

TL;DR Version for Twinks;

Blizzard does NOT Support twinks, quite the opposit by seperating them making them unable to do what they are " intended " to do, two shot People.

Deal with it.

Poor twinks no you cant use the "blizz supports our playstyle" line anymore, it must be shocking to learn the truth.

And i can only speak to my own battle group but yes 10-19 battles have gone up in number and its a really pleasent experiance no shouting noob or swearing at people in the games i've played.

Why r u twink QQing? now u get to fight agaisnt similarly geared ppl which should be fun for u cos it will be a challenge instead of just 2-shotting normal ppl who wanna BG while leveling.... unless all u wanted was to feel like god when u could just faceroll ppl.

That w8ing time r long for u can show one of two things:

1: As the blue says there arent really alot of twinks
2: The mojority of twinks just wanna 2 shoot ppl in BGs and dont find it fun when they r equally matched and hence dont BG anymore.

Personally twinks ruined the fun for me when BGing when I leveled. I 200% support the cahnge Bliz made in 3.2. GG blizz.

There is a fourth type of Twink - which you wouldnt understand as you havnt played there.

The fourth type is those that remember pre TBC and cross server battlegroups, when there was a real sense of PvP community, long battles of skill and tactics, pre-mades etc.

This sense of community no longer exists at lvl 80, but at lvl 60, and to a lesser extent lvl 70 it still did.

Check the PvP forums for most battlgroups and you will find, until recently, active threads of many lvl 60 players exchanging ideas, experiences and banter. Cant seem to find too many at level 80.

If you take the time to read those threads you will find most of their time was spent challenging each other, not various different ways to gank lowbies.

Most of the whines from players against twinks were "my lvl 51 gets 1 shotted by a 60 twink". Ground breaking thought - a lvl 60 SHOULD be able to 1 shot a lvl 51, by game design and irrespective of equipment.

The 60 Twink community in the main balanced itself out, with many twinks having characters on both horde and alliance side, so that if an inbalance occurred they could address it themselves. This just doesnt work at 80.

I have already cancelled 1 account, this one will follow when the pre-paid runs out - I cant change this game, but I can change which game I play.

This will leave me with 1 account for raiding until such a time as a viable alternative game comes along.