Ok blizzard, you officially support us twinkers now, but i don't see anything happening about the no games situation. There are alot of twinks who want to play but just can't. Will this be investigated or will this be solved soon before i have to cancell an account were i have my twinks on. I don't want to pay for my account with characters wich i can't play at all.

Atleast you can do is give some information if it will be investigated or beeing fixed.

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Ok blizzard, you officially support us twinkers now, but i don't see anything happening about the no games situation. There are alot of twinks who want to play but just can't. Will this be investigated or will this be solved soon before i have to cancell an account were i have my twinks on. I don't want to pay for my account with characters wich i can't play at all.

Atleast you can do is give some information if it will be investigated or beeing fixed.

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I don't really understand you're complaint here,

Are you angry that there arent enough twinks in que for BG's so therfore you cant find a game?

This isn't blizzards fault?

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I don't really understand you're complaint here,

Are you angry that there arent enough twinks in que for BG's so therfore you cant find a game?

This isn't blizzards fault?

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I just want to play my twinks without paying for a migration. And i can't now. Like you said there arent enough twinks to fill WSG at this level. Blizzard gave us xp lock as an extra option otherwise we couldn't play our twinks anymore but it resulted in that anyway. They made a great feature but didn't count the ammount of twinks in the first place to make this work.

All i'm asking is if they are going to do something about this problem that occured. If so i will add gametime to that account if not im not going to. I don't want to waste money, i guess you understand :)

There would be more people in low-level BGs if Twinks didn't make it absolutely no fun for non-twinks.

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I just want to play my twinks without paying for a migration. And i can't now. Like you said there arent enough twinks to fill WSG at this level. Blizzard gave us xp lock as an extra option otherwise we couldn't play our twinks anymore but it resulted in that anyway. They made a great feature but didn't count the ammount of twinks in the first place to make this work.

All i'm asking is if they are going to do something about this problem that occured. If so i will add gametime to that account if not im not going to. I don't want to waste money, i guess you understand :)

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the only way it will be solved is by arranging for all the twinks to be on at the same time, this isn't a fault of Blizz's. also BG's aren't realm specific, apart from Wintergrasp, they are battlegroup specific so i doubt a migration will help you either.
maybe the age of the twink is over? who knows, but again just to re-emphisise that there not being enough twinks isn't blizz's fault, it's the same on every tier level (i waited hlaf an hour for an arathi basin match yesterday).

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I just want to play my twinks without paying for a migration. And i can't now. Like you said there arent enough twinks to fill WSG at this level. Blizzard gave us xp lock as an extra option otherwise we couldn't play our twinks anymore but it resulted in that anyway. They made a great feature but didn't count the ammount of twinks in the first place to make this work.

All i'm asking is if they are going to do something about this problem that occured. If so i will add gametime to that account if not im not going to. I don't want to waste money, i guess you understand :)

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ah ok fair enough i understand your point now

I know it might sound farfetched but, couldn't Blizzard make a realm/battlegroup ONLY for twinks, having a free migration? Thought it would need some features for people not twinks being able to transfer there.
-Maybe let only characters that locked their exp be eligible for the transfer.
-Lock exp automatically for ANY character on that realm so that people wont get a free migration to another realm, or wont transfer there bringing their twink-hate with them, with the only aim to gank the "noob" twinks.

I know this would make Blizz lose some money since many twinks have paid the migration to go in a certain battlegroup where even if 'rarely' ,or only late at night, there are BGs.

But why shouldnt Blizz help us? Wouldnt it be better if twinks keep paying for the account they have their twink on instead of un-subscribing? I have 2 accounts, i will just stop paying the twink one unless some solution is reached.

Thanks.

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I know it might sound farfetched but, couldn't Blizzard make a realm/battlegroup ONLY for twinks, having a free migration? Thought it would need some features for people not twinks being able to transfer there.
-Maybe let only characters that locked their exp be eligible for the transfer.
-Lock exp automatically for ANY character on that realm so that people wont get a free migration to another realm, or wont transfer there bringing their twink-hate with them, with the only aim to gank the "noob" twinks.

I know this would make Blizz lose some money since many twinks have paid the migration to go in a certain battlegroup where even if 'rarely' ,or only late at night, there are BGs.

But why shouldnt Blizz help us? Wouldnt it be better if twinks keep paying for the account they have their twink on instead of un-subscribing? I have 2 accounts, i will just stop paying the twink one unless some solution is reached.

Thanks.

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Wait, so why should TWINKS get a FREE migration because they don't have a populated BG when say, a level 80 (or any level non twink) has to pay for a migration if thier battlegroup hardly has any games? And yes, there are BGs like that, there are many.

So, what makes twinks get special priviladges and not anyone else hmm?

You want to go to a BG with other twinks, then pay like the rest

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Wait, so why should TWINKS get a FREE migration because they don't have a populated BG when say, a level 80 (or any level non twink) has to pay for a migration if thier battlegroup hardly has any games? And yes, there are BGs like that, there are many.

So, what makes twinks get special priviladges and not anyone else hmm?

You want to go to a BG with other twinks, then pay like the rest

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Erm maybe because when you STARTED and LEVELLED a character in a realm/battlegroup with under populated BG players, it was YOU to choose it that way.

We twinks have NOT chosen to be in this situtation since we have been playing fine until patch came. Our gameplay has been damaged AFTER we had already played and spent time/effort on our characters, while if your a level 80 in Vindication for example, and you dont get many BGs, it was you that chose where to play your character.

Just think for ONE second that you were a twink..
-Ok so your playing fine for years right? Then a patch comes and you cant play anymore because the new system isnt working properly for certain Battlegroups. Wouldnt you want to ask for a "fix" or free migration? since the damage you have recieved wasnt something you could have seen before rolling on that server.

Whilst a level 80 for example, knows Vindication is low on population, etc etc, and can make a 1 alt and ask in /trade how the BG queues are (ive seen many do before transfering to a realm).. knowing this he wont roll on that server. I would have liked being able to preview all these problems, thus rolling my twink on another battlegroup.

Hope that cleared your mind in regards to why twinks would like a fix or transfer.

Thanks

And in my case I already payed to x-fer 5 characters from Kilrogg to Eonar, in order to join a well established and active twink guild, that pretty much fell apart with the 3.1 changes (And I had to leave a damn good raiding guild in the process as my 'main' for that was my twink enchanter).

Blizzard did have a huge hand in the fall in the number of twinks before 3.2, as they made several changes giving the impression they were trying to get rid of us completely, while, in typical Blizzard fashion, not saying a damn thing about what their intentions were.

And then they turn around and give us split BGs, when it's too late, and all the changes they'd already made, messing us around, and wasting our time, would never have been necessary if they'd done it from the start.

Yes we need to get organised, and sort out times to play, in order to overcome there not being so many of us around as there was, but it's bloody hard to get anything done, when every single time we post anywhere on the forums, an endless stream of people who have no clue what we're about, come and start flaming and trolling, with some of the most ridiculous ideas imaginable (#1 being that 'all twinks want to gank' when we are trying to play seperate from everyone else).

I wonder why this has moved from the technical support forum to the pvp forum. I thought this was a technical question. Now i am stuck again on a forum were we will be flamed at and this topic will be locked in no time.

Why doesnt blizzard answer this simple question.

I dont think they know how to answer, or want to answer.

Some time ago there was another thread about this issue, and instead of answering a Blizz poster said "guys keep it calm in here"..

CMON !! if you join a thread to tell ppl to calm down with the flaming why couldnt he just answer and stop all the "twink spamming" as the twink haters call it? Seriously..

EDIT: typo

I don't like the fact i never stood a chance to play this in xp locked games, and im not even a bis twink but someone who loves the lower brackets and still want to play vs.

Blizzard you made a mistake, you rushed into things wich never would have worked in the first place.

It is time for some support, starting with answering a simple question if it will be investigated or not :(

And yes it may sound rude but im on the edge of insanity about this subject regarding the mindless discussions we had in other threads with people who don't like twinking. I'm getting impatient and gametime expires soon. And as you can see i am a pre bc player and playing wow for a long time now but what i have seen lately with patches is just not wow. I excpect more from you blizzard like the warcraft series that were awsome and well thought of. What happened to your mentality "we bring out things when they are really finished"?

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Erm maybe because when you STARTED and LEVELLED a character in a realm/battlegroup with under populated BG players, it was YOU to choose it that way.

We twinks have NOT chosen to be in this situtation since we have been playing fine until patch came. Our gameplay has been damaged AFTER we had already played and spent time/effort on our characters, while if your a level 80 in Vindication for example, and you dont get many BGs, it was you that chose where to play your character.

Just think for ONE second that you were a twink..
-Ok so your playing fine for years right? Then a patch comes and you cant play anymore because the new system isnt working properly for certain Battlegroups. Wouldnt you want to ask for a "fix" or free migration? since the damage you have recieved wasnt something you could have seen before rolling on that server.

Whilst a level 80 for example, knows Vindication is low on population, etc etc, and can make a 1 alt and ask in /trade how the BG queues are (ive seen many do before transfering to a realm).. knowing this he wont roll on that server. I would have liked being able to preview all these problems, thus rolling my twink on another battlegroup.

Hope that cleared your mind in regards to why twinks would like a fix or transfer.

Thanks

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ERM, WRONG again.

When I rolled my battlegroup (before there even was battlegroups) my server was full. It (like many other servers) have died. So, there is NO difference between that and you. No way should twinks get transfers for free when others don't. Period. It was NOT blizzards fault suddenly all the twinks stopped playing.

I really laugh at the selfishness taht you think twinks have been playing longer than some mains and all the 80s had the choice of teh outcome of thier servers years later. No, just no.

Now, let us look at it in a logical way. Twinks are often low levels. It does not take long to level to that and thus, twinks can go ahead and level on a new server

It takes far longer for someone to:-

Reach 80
Grind all the gear
Grind a mount, epic mount, flyer, epic flyer
Enchant with the BEST enchants and gems (which not all twinks can get except the 70 ones)
Grind all thier achievements
etc etc

Twinks
Reach a lower easy to get to level (70-80 for example takes around the same as 1-60)
Grind the gear
Grind a mount maybe epic mount. No flyer
Enchant with lower level enchants unless 70.
etc etc

Now, I missed out other little things which would effect both, so not really much point putting them in. Twinks don't take as long, cost as much, have the options (like alot of the achievements) than any 80. My mains have been on my server since release, almost 5 years now, and my server was full then. It isn't my fault half the realm decided to transfer because blizzard won't fix the ratios or whatever. Quite simular to twinks, however, twinks have the option to turn on or off XP. They are the ones who claimed to want to fight other twinks. THAT is not blizzards fault that alot of them really didn't want to which left the ones who did not many people to fight.

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Twinks don't take as long, cost as much

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YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEno

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twinks have the option to turn on or off XP. They are the ones who claimed to want to fight other twinks. THAT is not blizzards fault that alot of them really didn't want to which left the ones who did not many people to fight.

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The twink population wasnt so big in the first place anymore before 3.2 (xp lock patch) to have games started. So this is blizz fault now is it.

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And in my case I already payed to x-fer 5 characters from Kilrogg to Eonar, in order to join a well established and active twink guild, that pretty much fell apart with the 3.1 changes (And I had to leave a damn good raiding guild in the process as my 'main' for that was my twink enchanter).

Blizzard did have a huge hand in the fall in the number of twinks before 3.2, as they made several changes giving the impression they were trying to get rid of us completely, while, in typical Blizzard fashion, not saying a damn thing about what their intentions were.

And then they turn around and give us split BGs, when it's too late, and all the changes they'd already made, messing us around, and wasting our time, would never have been necessary if they'd done it from the start.

Yes we need to get organised, and sort out times to play, in order to overcome there not being so many of us around as there was, but it's bloody hard to get anything done, when every single time we post anywhere on the forums, an endless stream of people who have no clue what we're about, come and start flaming and trolling, with some of the most ridiculous ideas imaginable (#1 being that 'all twinks want to gank' when we are trying to play seperate from everyone else).

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Aren't you the one who keeps sperting out that the world doesn't revolve around 80s? Think you need to take your own advice here. The game IS centered around end game, wether you like it or not. (Now before you start trying to put words in my mouth again, read what I said properly and not make stuff up, because no where do I say it is how it's ment to be, but I am not saying it isn't either)

I also don't see why you should think that because blizzard didn't do it at the start, they shouldn't change anything in the future. The real fact is, again wether you like it or not, the twinks are in a small comparrison to 80s, and thus blizzard have to (and rightly so) spend more time catering to the majority. It would be rediculous to start catering for the minority and upsetting the majority because they would lose alot more players that way. While there should be some middle ground to make both happy, that IS what they tried to do, and it ISN'T the fault of blizz that there wasn't enough twinks. They also SHOULDN'T enable the minority free transfers when there is more situations where whole SERVERS are having issues and don't get free transfers. Let us not forget it as a fact takes alot longer to create a finalized 80 character than a finalized x9. Even if that was a 79, since 79s are restricted from entering current raids and whatnot meaning they can't get teh achievements an 80 has.

Blizzard ARE doing teh right thing, trying to fix the important things for the game first. Doesn't matter if they are doing the best job at it, they are trying. It would certainly annoy me and most others far more that they start focusing on the tiny player base each patch neglecting end game people who while at end game, may have completed all content and want more. Twinks don't have that issue, because if they wanted more content, then they level up.

Not everyone would be sympathtic towards twinks but I garantee more would be if you stopped flooding the forums with the same topics, thinking the game revolves around you guys, and telling people stuff like that while being controdictory in your posts. Standing on a netrual ground and seeing both sides, I do see alot of 80s not caring, but I also see alot of 80s who say that it's genuinely sad that the FEW real twinks who want to fight otehr twinks can't get thier games. However, I've seen 100% of twinks throw out abuse with this whole black and white attitude where there is NO grey, thinking that this forum belongs to them and anyone else "doesn't understand you" while having this dispicable attitude. OFC you won't get sympathy when you post like that, you don't deserve it. making posts like your last one demanding people report others for not agreeing with you (Yes, people ARE allowed thier own opinions and ARE allowed to voice them, and you WILL have to accept it if you like it or not because it is right there on that point you need to understand the world doesn't revolve around you, and that is what makes us seperate from animals - choice and opinions) If you don't agree with someone, it shouldn't stop you from respecting thier opinions, but as I said, there is no grey for you so you bring in a one sided arguement and don't listen to anyone else. Just because a few 80s say stuff like "twinks only want to gank levelers" doesn't mean all 80s say it. You thread fell flat on its face when you stated how blizzard needs to listen to those demands and it got locked.

The whole reason people don;t have sympathy for you is not because you are a twink, it's because of your attitude. That is certainly why I don't care what happens for you anyway. If there is a middle ground where both sides are happy then it's fine (but that DOESN'T mean you should get special privilidges either) but disrubting the majoritys gameplay because a few minorities aren't happy, is wrong and won't work. I don't see any constructive threads from you guys either, it's all "gimmie free transfer or i quit!!!" rages. I see no mathimatical figures pulled out like alot of 80s do on problems, and I see no reason people would want to help you untill your attitude listens to others instead of only yourself and other twinks.

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YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEno

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I laughed.

Twinks do NOT cost as much as an 80 who has put as much work into thier char as a twink does (I.E Thier main)

80's buy EVERTHING a twink does, some even spend it just on leveling - I know I had mongoose on all my weapons as I made my way to 80 on my last char. Then 80s have flying mounts which cost as much as a twink does alone (Seriously, if you can't enchant and gem your twink under 5k with the BEST enchants for that level, then you are seriously doing something wrong, or know the wrong people) not to mention twinks can't get the real expensive enchants that 80s do - Who actually end up changing it constantly, since once a twink has thier gear, thats it. An 80 upgrades all through current content, then every patch when somene is released. 80s also spend a fortune on repairs. It costs me between 50-75 on repairs which I do 3-4 times a week. Flasks, potions for raiding etc etc..

A twink doesn't even come close to that level of expense, as much as you like to try and think it does. Let's also not forget to mention, most of the lower level gear now as 1)been made alot easier to craft due to material cuts 2)gets thrown on AH for very cheap prices

I have many characters, but I will use the one I have had the longest, my paladin. Considering I am a hybrid that enjoys both PvP and PvE, and like to help my guild in what we need at the time for raiding, I gear up all my specs. Retribution PvE, Retribution PvP, Protection, Holy PvE and Holy PvP. Enchanted all sets and constantly upgrading each of them. How much does a twink need? Oh that's right, in most cases 1 PvP set. Some might have 2. Considering things are shared now no longer do healers an casters need 2 sets (or at worst case, a few parts from MP5 Changign to crit etc, but most have been removed for PvP like for instance the pure healing set for paladins and then the shockadin set with spelldamage)

So no, twinks don't even come CLOSE to an 80 who spends time on thier character

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The twink population wasnt so big in the first place anymore before 3.2 (xp lock patch) to have games started. So this is blizz fault now is it.

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I beg to differ, before the XP lock, twinks made in almost every thread that they were a big community that made up a large portion of WoW. You only need to go back and check alot of twink posts from a while ago to see that. I remember a thread along time ago where some twink went on an on at how everyone had thier own twink hubs and forums because it was so large. Considering I don't spend as much time as blizzard reading teh forums, and I saw lots, I assume blizzard saw more threads saying this. So no, it's isn't blizz fault, it's the twinks who said that. Something you cant blame blizz for.

On a side note, before the XP lock, I saw tons of twinks on my realm hanging around in SW. They were often the ones spamming trade with words like pwned and noob, or spamming macros for twink only guilds etc. Strangly, soon as the XP lock came, I havent seen hardly any. If the same amount were on now as there was then, there would be a ton of games going. Hell, even STV was FULL of twinks after the hat, now I actually have a chance of winning it (If i woke up that early on sunday :P) No, certainly not blizz fault.

I'll leave this thread for a while, im off to play Aion.

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I beg to differ, before the XP lock, twinks made in almost every thread that they were a big community that made up a large portion of WoW. You only need to go back and check alot of twink posts from a while ago to see that. I remember a thread along time ago where some twink went on an on at how everyone had thier own twink hubs and forums because it was so large. Considering I don't spend as much time as blizzard reading teh forums, and I saw lots, I assume blizzard saw more threads saying this. So no, it's isn't blizz fault, it's the twinks who said that. Something you cant blame blizz for.

On a side note, before the XP lock, I saw tons of twinks on my realm hanging around in SW. They were often the ones spamming trade with words like pwned and noob, or spamming macros for twink only guilds etc. Strangly, soon as the XP lock came, I havent seen hardly any. If the same amount were on now as there was then, there would be a ton of games going. Hell, even STV was FULL of twinks after the hat, now I actually have a chance of winning it (If i woke up that early on sunday :P) No, certainly not blizz fault.

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Sorry but the reality is a bit different then you write here buddy, im not even going to explain it, no, like you said it is in other threads allready, but let me ask you this, do you have twinks? played a twink? know what is going on? Active? I don't think you do and still you are trying to tell me what it's like.

You are of the seriously deluded idea, that people who make twinks only make 1.

Sure it takes less time to make one fully geared 19 than it does to make one 80, but we're not making one 19, we are making several, and then 29s, 39s, 49s, 59s, etc, for every bracket and class, as we have the time and character slots available to us.

And on top of that we do have 80 mains, that are used in making twinks and have had a considerable time invested in their trades, in order to get them all the recipes needed to make twinks. I worked hard to get PvP gear on my main, primarily so I could compete against other arena geared 80s, and get AGM trinkets for mine and guild member's twinks.

Seeing as twinks require a fully geared 80 to make to BiS, your whole argument just got shot down. Those twinks take more work than just the 80, and transferring all of them and the supporting mains is going to cost more than transferring just one 80.