Right so have been readin alot of thread on arp and arms and it seem to still be the best stat for arms pve and pvp.

Str scales nicely with fury so how is the arp vs str situation like for fury pve?

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Right so have been readin alot of thread on arp and arms and it seem to still be the best stat for arms pve and pvp.

Str scales nicely with fury so how is the arp vs str situation like for fury pve?

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Exactly as is stated in the other 50 threads on this and the dps forum.

For your post to be any useful to me maybe I could pursuade u to be kind ebough to link some (or just one) of the better threads?

Cos judging from headlines I seem to only find arp discussion concerning arms on the few 1st pages. Might very well be that I am going "forum blind" by looking over to many headlines though.

Since you get 20% more str in berserker stance and buffs, kings etc, boost str but not arp, strenght is the way to go. But don't go fury if you're still doin hc's.

elitistjerks.com
tankspot.com
maxdps.com
wowwiki.com

How is Caramon?

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elitistjerks.com
tankspot.com
maxdps.com
wowwiki.com

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Well exact articles would be nice. This is why I ask for help here. U know tankspot.com/XxXxXxX etc

And why do u refer to other websites all of the sudden - u menation that there r 50 articles on THIS and the DPS forum, and I asked for help to find them - not to get some non-specific other website links (but as said specific articles on those otehr sites will be appeciated).

If u dont wanna help thats ok - but then u shouldnt have posted in this thread in the first place. What u are basiaclly saying is "nah I dont wanna help cos the topic has been convered before- go find it yourself".

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Well exact articles would be nice. This is why I ask for help here. U know tankspot.com/XxXxXxX etc

And why do u refer to other websites all of the sudden - u menation that there r 50 articles on THIS and the DPS forum, and I asked for help to find them - not to get some non-specific other website links (but as said specific articles on those otehr sites will be appeciated).

If u dont wanna help thats ok - but then u shouldnt have posted in this thread in the first place. What u are basiaclly saying is "nah I dont wanna help cos the topic has been convered before- go find it yourself".

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Opening your eyes must be hard.

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Well exact articles would be nice. This is why I ask for help here. U know tankspot.com/XxXxXxX etc

And why do u refer to other websites all of the sudden - u menation that there r 50 articles on THIS and the DPS forum, and I asked for help to find them - not to get some non-specific other website links (but as said specific articles on those otehr sites will be appeciated).

If u dont wanna help thats ok - but then u shouldnt have posted in this thread in the first place. What u are basiaclly saying is "nah I dont wanna help cos the topic has been convered before- go find it yourself".

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How about you open your eyes and look up the information yourself instead of waiting for it to be spoonfed to you?

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elitistjerks.com
tankspot.com
maxdps.com
wowwiki.com

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If you need it more specific there's a good chance you're illiterate and/or have people help you with advanced tasks such as brushing your teeth or turning on your PC.

I refered to other sites becasue clearly you have no idea how to use this forum, so you might have luck with one of the others.
Maxdps.com though probably the worst of the sites, has a nice "Load your character" option that removes any need for competent interaction.

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I actually am illiterate so might need more help than the average person which is why I turn to what I thought would be a helpful wow-community.

Now to make it easy to help me all i need u to do is write 3 letters. Either "STR" or "ARP". Thats all the help I need. If u know wheter arp or str is better for fury pve, which you seem to know, wouldnt it be a lot esier to just write either of the 3 letters than to link various sites or write insulting posts?

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Opening your eyes must be hard.

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As said I cant find those 50 threads ppl r referring to so instead of insulting me for being too stupid to find them couldnt u just give me the answer or link to a specific thread covering the topic?

Its the same if u insulted a blind person for not being able to see instead of helping him cross the road safely.

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I actually am illiterate so might need more help than the average person which is why I turn to what I thought would be a helpful wow-community.

Now to make it easy to help me all i need u to do is write 3 letters. Either "STR" or "ARP". Thats all the help I need. If u know wheter arp or str is better for fury pve, which you seem to know, wouldnt it be a lot esier to just write either of the 3 letters than to link various sites or write insulting posts?

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There's several reason why no one have written STR of ArP yet.

1) as you said your self jsut now, you have difficulty reading, meaning that you most likely jsut guessed what our replies were so you just go ahead and and guess which is better and go with that

2) if there was a finally answer on the topic, this forum would be called "Warrior (btw gem ArP)" or "Warrior (btw gem str)" but it is not.

3) you are being daft. General oppinion on most helpful forums is that people who ask the questions that have been answered several times and claim that he or she cannot find these answers are generally considered detrimental to the overall helpfulness-impression.
Just be glad forum mods tolerate your rights to be generic nitwit #547 seeing as several other fora's mods would have banned you, locked the topic or joined in on the hazing.

4) you are posting on a lvl 1 alt. This is vaguely related to point 2 - there is no ultimate answer, but if you want any kind of halfway accurate answer you gotta post on your main or at least provide credible links to your main. The stats alone are not enough cause, for instance, while mjolnir (ArP) is a super trinket I would never recommend it if you have access to the 258 Death's Verdict (Str) so how on earth am I to help you?

5) related to all of them, really you are expecting us to put roughly 4-5 times the effort into an answer as you did to the question? This would roughly be the same as if Obama showed up to congress and said "The Economy..... discuss!" Guess what kind of answer he'd get? That's right, rubbish answers.


Now i'm gonna give you a little help because writting this I thought of Meadows... not much, but certainly a @%!%tonne more than you deserve at this point. It will most likely be wasted as illiterates rarely try more than a few lines in posts with more than 100 characters, but what the hay..
You can check my gear on armory. At that level ArP is roughly 10-15% better than Str but even if that does sound like a noticeable difference, I'm fairly sure that if all gems were replaced with str overnight the absolutely only thing I would notice was slight high BT averages and even slightiererer lower everything else.

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At that level ArP is roughly 10-15% better than Str .

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See that is all I wanted. Was that so hard to write eventhough consider illiterates to be less worthy of advise. Being a illiterate and having a hard time finding written information doesnt mean u r a bad wow-player where small dps differences arent significant.

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...but even if that does sound like a noticeable difference, I'm fairly sure that if all gems were replaced with str overnight the absolutely only thing I would notice was slight high BT averages and even slightiererer lower everything else

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Well I guess deep wound would also tick for more with more str since it ignores amor anyway but I see where u r going.

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if there was a finally answer on the topic, this forum would be called "Warrior (btw gem ArP)" or "Warrior (btw gem str)" but it is not.

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I would suspect there are some theorycrafting out there somewhere that gives a final answer as of 3.2.2. something like "untill u get xx% ARP str is better but after that % arp is better (or the other way around)". But I guess that when u say arp is 10-15% better than str at your gear lvl that is close enough for beign a final answer.


Finally: All the insulting was really unnessary and its descriminating to argue that illiterates derserve less help than other ppl. But that is one of the joys withy the internet: ppl allow themselves to be way more offensive and intollerant than what they would in RL. So while u seem like a person with a lot of knowledge on wow u do come off as a rather arrogant and offensive person. But again thats probably just when enjoyng the safe "distancing" of the internet and you probably wouldnt behave like that in RL. Well I hope not for the sake of your colleagues, family and friends^^. If u read through both of our posts u will see that u have become increasingly offensive and resolve to name-calling while I have remained calm and polite.

However, despite long list of insults and descrimination I do appreciate the answer/help u did give in the end. So if interpret your answer correctly I get this: At a certain gear lvl arp will outperfom str for fury pve.


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You can check my gear on armory. At that level ArP is roughly 10-15% better than Str

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Since u r posting on your lock I cant see the gear lvl of your warr. But I guess what u r saying is that arp is better when gear lvl is higher (an u thereby r closer to the arp cap).

Give the guy a break, guys.

For as much as it is worth I read this in Ensidias homepage:

"Until you can reach approximately 76% ArP (in 3.2.2), stack strength like a boss. Of course, hit and expertise should both be capped before you start stacking strength gems.

Landsoul's spreadsheet will also give you this information"¨

http://www.ensidia.com/community/post/3968/

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Finally: All the insulting was really unnessary and its descriminating to argue that illiterates derserve less help than other ppl. But that is one of the joys withy the internet: ppl allow themselves to be way more offensive and intollerant than what they would in RL. So while u seem like a person with a lot of knowledge on wow u do come off as a rather arrogant and offensive person. But again thats probably just when enjoyng the safe "distancing" of the internet and you probably wouldnt behave like that in RL. Well I hope not for the sake of your colleagues, family and friends^^. If u read through both of our posts u will see that u have become increasingly offensive and resolve to name-calling while I have remained calm and polite.

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You always see yourself as calm, because usually you always are calm. That applies to the vast majority of people who post intelligeble posts, but people prefer to think that offiensive posts are written in a state of rage or frustration, giving the poster an excuse that isn't needed in the first place because of, as you say, the distance of the internet - a term I'm not awefully fond of because I've never quite grasped it. The job I have doesn't allow for excuses in any form of communication and it has time after time been proven effective. However, every time people use a smiley to try and cover up a critique or act sly or arrogant because it's via email confusion and misunderstandings are the result. I hope for your sake that you have a relationship with your family, friends and colleagues that is strong enough to actually be frank instead of watering everything down to it's least offensive element.
I'm not sure where the namecalling is, maybe daft? Stubborn might have been more accurate or persistant if you also want this watered down to a less offensive element but the sentiment remains the same as does the overall theme of all my posts - your lack of effort. Usually when ask for A or B though they are frightfully close, it's because they are trying to min/max and if you do not know how to find your infomation, which is painfully easy, there's a rather sizeable chance that you will not know how or when to use this infomation seeing as that is typically a bit more complicated. That's why no one has given you an answer. You asked the question and I told you 42, so what are you gonna do now? That's rhetorical, by the way.

Yes, I'm getting rather bored with my warlock being the default character. I clarified my sig to make it more appearent which one is my alt.
(please also notice that I did not include armory links in my sig, because if that's needed by anyone they really cannot do anything but gasp or flame, neither of which intrests me).


PS. Notice how easily the shammy above you found a piece of infomation highly relevant to your supposed question. He must be freaking genious!

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You always see yourself as calm, because usually you always are calm. That applies to the vast majority of people who post intelligeble posts, but people prefer to think that offiensive posts are written in a state of rage or frustration, giving the poster an excuse that isn't needed in the first place because of, as you say, the distance of the internet - a term I'm not awefully fond of because I've never quite grasped it. The job I have doesn't allow for excuses in any form of communication and it has time after time been proven effective. However, every time people use a smiley to try and cover up a critique or act sly or arrogant because it's via email confusion and misunderstandings are the result. I hope for your sake that you have a relationship with your family, friends and colleagues that is strong enough to actually be frank instead of watering everything down to it's least offensive element.
I'm not sure where the namecalling is, maybe daft? Stubborn might have been more accurate or persistant if you also want this watered down to a less offensive element but the sentiment remains the same as does the overall theme of all my posts - your lack of effort. Usually when ask for A or B though they are frightfully close, it's because they are trying to min/max and if you do not know how to find your infomation, which is painfully easy, there's a rather sizeable chance that you will not know how or when to use this infomation seeing as that is typically a bit more complicated. That's why no one has given you an answer. You asked the question and I told you 42, so what are you gonna do now? That's rhetorical, by the way.

Yes, I'm getting rather bored with my warlock being the default character. I clarified my sig to make it more appearent which one is my alt.
(please also notice that I did not include armory links in my sig, because if that's needed by anyone they really cannot do anything but gasp or flame, neither of which intrests me).


PS. Notice how easily the shammy above you found a piece of infomation highly relevant to your supposed question. He must be freaking genious!

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Goddamn!, how uptight are you?!, OP asked a perfectly sensable question in a FORUM, on a subject its contributors are likely to have extensive knowlage of, I dont see how the thought "I know, i'll ask the WOW forum something wow related" is so wrong...

Being straitforward and frank in your dealings with others i'm sure is appriciated especialy in a work environment but they often stray into being needlessly abrupt and rude and this IS A GAME not a job (love that grind..), its ment to be fun.

Sorry if you think i've been needlessly abrupt and rude to you, that's not my aim.


Ps. would have put a few simliey or two but....

STRENGTH M8