Hi all, im playing feral/disc (im the feral) with an ingame friend for fun and realised i want to get a little more serious with the arena.
I have a problem, i have a really hard downing anything with more than 24k hp and 700 resilience.

Untill about ~1500 MMR everything was easymode, gain points against teams with a clothie, 50/50 against mail or higher, loose almost everytime against prothealer or restodrood teams.
I realised quickly that it wasn't about fancy target switches or excellent CC, i just tunnelvisioned whatever usually dies fastest in a BG and sooner or later i would get points or be frustrated because of the lack of an interrupt.

Then it became harder, i cant kill anything anymore. Healers are gods (except priests without peelers, they still die) and i can only dream of doing enough damage to actually pressure them one day. Their dps always have a card up their sleeve for when i attempt to CC chain their healer.

My gear? See for yourself
http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Terokkar&n=Verox

I know, my weapon is crap, im trying to get the Marrowstrike but it wont drop. Could it really be the issue? I think there's more than that.

I want to hear EVERYTHING! All that could possibly improve the way we play in arena, when do i switch, how do i switch, why do i switch? Open on who? CC what? Try to kill who and when?

Speak up, please! :)

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Hi all, im playing feral/disc (im the feral) with an ingame friend for fun and realised i want to get a little more serious with the arena.
I have a problem, i have a really hard downing anything with more than 24k hp and 700 resilience.

Untill about ~1500 MMR everything was easymode, gain points against teams with a clothie, 50/50 against mail or higher, loose almost everytime against prothealer or restodrood teams.
I realised quickly that it wasn't about fancy target switches or excellent CC, i just tunnelvisioned whatever usually dies fastest in a BG and sooner or later i would get points or be frustrated because of the lack of an interrupt.

Then it became harder, i cant kill anything anymore. Healers are gods (except priests without peelers, they still die) and i can only dream of doing enough damage to actually pressure them one day. Their dps always have a card up their sleeve for when i attempt to CC chain their healer.

My gear? See for yourself
http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Terokkar&n=Verox

I know, my weapon is crap, im trying to get the Marrowstrike but it wont drop. Could it really be the issue? I think there's more than that.

I want to hear EVERYTHING! All that could possibly improve the way we play in arena, when do i switch, how do i switch, why do i switch? Open on who? CC what? Try to kill who and when?

Speak up, please! :)

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Hello.

As feral/priest, you both should play really offensive depending on the setup.

Your setup can outmana nearly EVERY setup (even in some cases protadins if the feral puts out enough preasure).

Your priest should be assisting as much as possible with dots + dispells on whatever buffs they got up (unless it's a shamans earthshield, waste of mana).

Swap a lot with bleeds, you can always bleed a target fully up, instant cyclone it, bleed the other one up, then go back on the same target again, creating lots of overall preasure since the healer have to heal both targets up.

But really, swap a lot, make your priest assist killing and nuke some people!

Practise makes perfect. keep trying and you'll go up eventually!

good luck!

tbh, for your gear your rating is more than alright. hateful and deadly items are so incredibly bad ;X

im playing with a RL friend every now and then and we scratch around at 1800ish ratings - with me wearing loads of pve gear and running a specc without primal tenacity (i like natural shapeshifter and+4% crit for bgs :p) - if i would play with your gear im pretty sure we would not only lose to most double dps but also to many healer+dps teams.

so keep your head up, farm those relentless items and dont hesitate to replace some ilvl200 pvp gear by pve items.

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Hello.

As feral/priest, you both should play really offensive depending on the setup.

Your setup can outmana nearly EVERY setup (even in some cases protadins if the feral puts out enough preasure).

Your priest should be assisting as much as possible with dots + dispells on whatever buffs they got up (unless it's a shamans earthshield, waste of mana).

Swap a lot with bleeds, you can always bleed a target fully up, instant cyclone it, bleed the other one up, then go back on the same target again, creating lots of overall preasure since the healer have to heal both targets up.


But really, swap a lot, make your priest assist killing and nuke some people!

Practise makes perfect. keep trying and you'll go up eventually!

good luck!

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Feral priest should ALWAYS beat prothealer/any dps. Its just so easy to interupt his heals with full bleeds on the dps and then going berserk on him, dropping an insta cyclone and a fear bomb...hands down easiest healer to beat as feral/priest.

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Hello.

As feral/priest, you both should play really offensive depending on the setup.

Your setup can outmana nearly EVERY setup (even in some cases protadins if the feral puts out enough preasure).

Your priest should be assisting as much as possible with dots + dispells on whatever buffs they got up (unless it's a shamans earthshield, waste of mana).

Swap a lot with bleeds, you can always bleed a target fully up, instant cyclone it, bleed the other one up, then go back on the same target again, creating lots of overall preasure since the healer have to heal both targets up.

But really, swap a lot, make your priest assist killing and nuke some people!

Practise makes perfect. keep trying and you'll go up eventually!

good luck!

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Yeah, all right swapping, but why drop an instant Cyclone on a target i just fully bleeded up, that seems kinda like a waste on energy since he wont take damage while Cycloned? Just leave him bleeding seems like a more pressuring option.

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Yeah, all right swapping, but why drop an instant Cyclone on a target i just fully bleeded up, that seems kinda like a waste on energy since he wont take damage while Cycloned? Just leave him bleeding seems like a more pressuring option.

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Think he ment like doing dmg on the target and then instant cyclone him.. (so hes cycloned @ arround 50% hp) then switch to another target.. and do the same...

you have a really nice CC with instant cyclone + fear..

Disc/feral is really powerfull atm. (even more then it was before..)

Oh wow, forum deleted my reply thanks >< If theres a priest healer then you can feel free to tunnel vision him with dispell support. But generally its best to sit on the dps, pin him down keep him off your priest so your priest can harass and dps. Put up a full SR Rip rake combo and feral charge the healer ( protadin? Well there you won the game by silencing him ), immobalising him and maybe silencing him. Priest runs in and fear bombs, he cant run away. You berserk rinse the DPS. If he doesnt die Pred Instinct cyclone the healer. If he still doesnt die cyclone the dps into DR to prevent heals and regen energy. CC the healer, land another fear bomb and there we go, a fool proof method to kill most comps.

That said resto druids, yawn just an outlasting game, you have to swap a hella lot with them and hope to land a lucky CC train with his trinket down and youll catch someone hopefully.

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Think he ment like doing dmg on the target and then instant cyclone him.. (so hes cycloned @ arround 50% hp) then switch to another target.. and do the same...

you have a really nice CC with instant cyclone + fear..

Disc/feral is really powerfull atm. (even more then it was before..)

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Well i wont drop something below 70% without his healer free to do whatever he wants, but i guess i see the picture.

Bumb

I need moar.

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Yeah, all right swapping, but why drop an instant Cyclone on a target i just fully bleeded up, that seems kinda like a waste on energy since he wont take damage while Cycloned? Just leave him bleeding seems like a more pressuring option.

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A full bleed last longer then a cyclone, if you can bleed a target up with rip, then cyclone him, the rip will still tick when it runs out.

In the meanwhile, the healer haven't had any posibility to heal him up, but only got preasure on himself which he has to take care of too.

Instead of telling you how to play, I'm going to tell you how WE play and you'll need to think up strategies to counter this.

I am playing mage/rogue, a pretty common comp, this is what we want:

I go invisible, rogue will sap the priest. I will try to spellsteal his buffs, if I get Power Word Shield before sap ends then we both open on the priest. It's likely the priest will die here since he'll take a full stunlock without shield up and having lost his PWF, so the feral must prevent the shatter combo. If the priest has to trinket kidney shot, then the druid will die very fast. It's also very good for my team if the priest uses pain suppression on himself, since we don't plan to kill him.

As soon as we can, we'll switch to the druid and use the following CC chain:
Deep Freeze priest (5 second stun, reduced by talents)
Polymorph priest (5 second cc because of DR with sap)
Improved CS on Priest (4 sec silence, reduced by talents)

Our aim is that the priest will trinket the deep freeze or the polymorph - likelihood is we'll kill the feral during this time. As soon as the priest trinkets one of them, we Blind him and kill the druid in the remaining time.

How to stop this:

Shadow Word Death something just after trinketting; if you get lucky you'll break at least one of the cc's, preferrably Blind, since the damage bit ticks after the spell casts.
The more the priest can kite around pillars, the harder it gets to cc.
Druid needs to go bear form immediately and try to tank the damage until the cc chain is over. Most ferals will go for the rogue, but I consider this wrong strategy. Since our damage is much faster and he can shift out of my snares, the best way to disrupt us is to attack the mage. The druid must at least once feral charge a polymorph. Charging the frost tree isn't very effective as the mage can switch to arcane blasts or scorch.
Once the rogue runs out of Evasions, the feral can switch to the rogue and kill him.

Use focus target macros, these are essential.


Best of luck.

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A full bleed last longer then a cyclone, if you can bleed a target up with rip, then cyclone him, the rip will still tick when it runs out.

In the meanwhile, the healer haven't had any posibility to heal him up, but only got preasure on himself which he has to take care of too.

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But my priest has to do damage too otherwise its negated by a swiftmend or something right?

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But my priest has to do damage too otherwise its negated by a swiftmend or something right?

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of course, the priest have to assist damaging a lot, which he can due to innervate + sfiend.

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of course, the priest have to assist damaging a lot, which he can due to innervate + sfiend.

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Oh, quick question, does my priest has any other options besides LoS to prevent dispells on Inner?

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Oh, quick question, does my priest has any other options besides LoS to prevent dispells on Inner?

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cyclone the dispeller + inner the priest while he tries to LoS does the trick, he'll usually trinket the cyclone to get it off, which is where you can recyclone/apply preasure.

also pain sub works wonder if he's getting nuked n need mana.

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cyclone the dispeller + inner the priest while he tries to LoS does the trick, he'll usually trinket the cyclone to get it off, which is where you can recyclone/apply preasure.

also pain sub works wonder if he's getting nuked n need mana.

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Thanks, now one final thing. Tell me how you beat feral+disc :) (as your setup)

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Thanks, now one final thing. Tell me how you beat feral+disc :) (as your setup)

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well, I usually played prot/warrior, haven't really played druid/warrior serious, only for fun, so i'll go on with prot/war.

As prot war, we try to get on the priest and gib him, as we will never kill a feral (this is pre patch before the feral buffs, so it'll be easier for you this time). I keep making switches to the priest that tries to pull me out of LoS, or i apply preasure on the druid. this keeps going on till we'll eventually go on the priest with storm + stun, that'll force a pain sub first time or hopefully kill him, if we don't kill him fast, we'll end up losing due to running out of CD's or the feral RNG's me down.

the feral simply train me the entire game and CC us both, nothing else.

Against warrior shamans have your priest cast a dot to get rid of grounding totem before you ccs his "dk or warrior".
On pala/warr make sure to help your priest alot,cyclone warrior after lolstorm. What i do now is dpsing the paladin and ALWAYS keep the warrior cced while i can to help my priest out.

On mage rogue,make sure your priest gets in combat and wait for the rogue to come on the priest,nuke rogue and your priest dps him forcing him to cos and pop evasion then jump on the mage.
Save pain suspression before you are sure who they are nuking, if the priest is good/lucky Shadow Word death on sheep/blind :)

On mirror setup spam hebirnate/cycloone, when the druid is sleeped you need to jump on the priest so he can't dispell it , make sure ure priest dosn't brake sleep whit dots.

Make sure to use a focus macro, this is important so you can charge mages polymorphing or tell your priest to dispell you when sleeped.

You need better gear to so just farm toc and be lucky, i got 3 parts hateful to and its boring when everyone else around 1200-1600 is full furious geared :P

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Against warrior shamans have your priest cast a dot to get rid of grounding totem before you ccs his "dk or warrior".
On pala/warr make sure to help your priest alot,cyclone warrior after lolstorm. What i do now is dpsing the paladin and ALWAYS keep the warrior cced while i can to help my priest out.

On mage rogue,make sure your priest gets in combat and wait for the rogue to come on the priest,nuke rogue and your priest dps him forcing him to cos and pop evasion then jump on the mage.
Save pain suspression before you are sure who they are nuking, if the priest is good/lucky Shadow Word death on sheep/blind :)

On mirror setup spam hebirnate/cycloone, when the druid is sleeped you need to jump on the priest so he can't dispell it , make sure ure priest dosn't brake sleep whit dots.

Make sure to use a focus macro, this is important so you can charge mages polymorphing or tell your priest to dispell you when sleeped.

You need better gear to so just farm toc and be lucky, i got 3 parts hateful to and its boring when everyone else around 1200-1600 is full furious geared :P

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Going for the pally in a warrior/protpal setups is suicicde, the warrior WILL kill your priest. You have to dps him to peel him off him, or he'll die. simple as that.