i don't realy see a problem with undead hunters. other race hunters lure live pets. undead hunters kill the animal and resurect them as an undead counterpart of the live animal. so the hunters pet are actualy undead animals... (not saying this is whats gonna happen but it would be a good explination to the problem of having the undead hunters wold running away with the hunters legbone and burrying it somewhere in the ground to eat it later)

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Only new race/class combo I have a problem with is the Nelf mages, that is just wrong, you could get away with it by adding the High elves that are left into the alliance as a playable race or sub-race you get only when you slect the mage option on the night elf screen but that is not what they are planning.

Also minor balacning issue is that with the additon of nelf mages all ally race will be able to be mages,
with the addition of Belf warriors all race now have them and with the addition of Tauren priest all race now have them.

Tauren Priests are fine, as for Tauran pallys Blizz wanted to give the horde another pally race and the taurans are the only ones they could give them too (after all what would have happened if they had anounce Orc paladins)

One surgestion though drop Nelf mages and give us Nelf shammys instead its not a hard stretch and makes more sences thatn Nelf mages.

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You know, there is a faction ingame called Shendralar. They are mages/lorekeepers whom some of them served under Azshara. They are called Highborne, and you find them in Dire Maul (west I think). So, they have always been here.

Is it so hard to believe that the Night Elves co-operate with the Highborne in such a "cataclysmic" event?

the tauradins and priests r basically pagans lol... lets hope the catholic church doesn't get a hold of em

i'm gunna roll tauren rogue... they'll never see me coming

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the tauradins and priests r basically pagans lol... lets hope the catholic church doesn't get a hold of em

i'm gunna roll tauren rogue... they'll never see me coming

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http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=10674417527&sid=1

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Well I've made my thoughts pretty clear in a previous post (http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=10711122350&sid=1&pageNo=2#21) but let's wait and see how the Night Elf mage storyline continues before we jump to conclusions. There's established lore, it's not just some whimsical addition and it hasn't been done without much forethought.

If we allowed Humans to have Warlocks, despite them being shunned and only barely tolerated, then it's logical that we allow night elf mages to be active in the Alliance even if the folks at Darnassus are a bit uncertain about the situation. Like the Humans, they've every right to be cautious about the things they consider wrong, especially when these are being practiced by their own people. But it may well be that also like the Humans and their warlocks, the Night Elves might find good reason to not completely shun those of their kind who work with the arcane.

Nobody at the Temple of the Moon is rushing forward with open arms to greet them; the emissary is being given the cold shoulder. Even if we'd like them to hurry with it, they still need time to work over the idea of the arcane being used by their people while representating them in the active ranks of the Alliance. But they're not exactly escorting him out with guards, either...

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Give me the option to play as your Avatar!

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representating

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/giggle

People change, short people change, cattle changes, corpses rot some more. Remember when night elves went druid-crazy? Players back then must have thought "woot, no nelf mages? p**%, the lore doesn't support it. What're you gonna do blizz, come up with some contrived explanation, like 'nelf queen summons demon lord and almost destroys world'? this is bs, never gonna happen".

There's barely any reason for any given race to not adopt a certain class. Draenei warlock is probably the most unlikely one of them all, leaps and bounds in improbability ahead of nelf mages, which is, in essence, just a return to form.

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TBC; Complaints because Draenei weren't in lore before, Blood Elves all joined Illidan, took the game off of the world of Azeroth, culminating according to some people the death of wow - Conclusion - all the QQ'ing was pointless because TBC sold extremely well and saw a massive jump in subscribers, and it didn't kill off WoW.

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Wait, people really thought this? But people were predicting that the Draenei would be the new Alliance race before Blizzard even announced it. They were already there. I thought the complaints were about the whole "the orcs wiped the Draenei out" (history is written by the victor explanation applies here), and that they were expecting them to be like the WC3 version, which ended up being The Broken (again, if they couldn't find their original, non-degenerate Draenei brethren, they would assume that they are all that left of the Draenei race and therefore are the pinnacle of their race).

I never realised people thought they never existed before TBC. Guess that's my fault for ignoring the official forums for my first three years.

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Yes and according to that logic we should have dreanei warlocks.Its the same thing.NE mages almost destroy the world but its alright now for some reason?!?Orc locks and dreanei locks doomed theyr races but we still see orcs.So why can't the dreanei go to the "old ways" to try and stop the cataclysm?WTH

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As true as that is, that's not the full story. Nelf Mages were also fighting the Legion. Also, could someone show me the piece of lore that says every single Night Elf was involved in the War of the Ancients please. Also, don't forget that the Night Elf mages that were helping Azshara did eventually switch sides.

For me, the distinction is as follows;
High Elves/Blood Elves : These are the Highbourne that were helping Azshara, but then became turncoats and helped the original Kalimdorian Alliance (which clearly stuck with them to modern times as they turned on Illidan too in TBC). These are the ones that crossed the sea in shame and lack of acceptance.

Existing Highbourne : These are still Night Elves. They never crossed the sea in Exile (or switched their sleeping patterns), but instead went into hiding. The members of this society of Night Elf Magi were the ones that never helped Azshara in the first place, but instead helped the Kalimdorian Alliance fight back the Legion.

The above are my opinion. I don't think there's anything to say that this is the distinction, just one that makes sense to me.

Say....Dire Maul seems a bit out of the way, don'tcha think? Odd that Dire Maul and Hyjal are seperated by the much despised Tauren, isn't it? It's almost like this isn't being mad up on the spot really.

gnome priests drown kittens :(

and make no sense that i can see lore wise

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There's established lore, it's not just some whimsical addition and it hasn't been done without much forethought.

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Thank you!
I might even play one now!

It's also quite acceptable to perform a retcon (return to continuity) in fiction if you feel it's drifted away from your original vision :)

Now gief my smexy tauren paladin naow plx :D

I'm just interested in what fandral has to say about troll druids...
he barely tolerates taurens as it is, but now they will start sharing the teaches of cenarius with those that aided in his death.

and i'm sure he would not be the only nightelf druid having problems with this

and what do remulos and his brothers and sisters have to say about this? im sure they wont be all to happy having those that killed their father join the circle?

sure they can implement troll druids but im interested in seeing what happens to the cenarion circle when it happens...

give a big showdown between fandral and hamuul in moonglade tbh ;) :P

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I'm just interested in what fandral has to say about troll druids...
he barely tolerates taurens as it is, but now they will start sharing the teaches of cenarius with those that aided in his death.

and i'm sure he would not be the only nightelf druid having problems with this

and what do remulos and his brothers and sisters have to say about this? im sure they wont be all to happy having those that killed their father join the circle?

sure they can implement troll druids but im interested in seeing what happens to the cenarion circle when it happens...

give a big showdown between fandral and hamuul in moonglade tbh ;) :P

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I really hope that the Troll druids will have nothing to do with the Cenarion Circle.
I hope they build their druid lore on their Loa gods.

well imagin the scene...

Fandral is pacing around, having caught new of the troll druids cursing and being all manners of irritated, muttering about the old days and so forth. Suddenly his advisors all stiffen up and Fandral stops mid step.

Fandral: He is right behind me.


Malfurion: That would be the case yes.

Malfurion continues to direct the night elfe and fandral is sent to look over the whole ashen vale astranaar debacle.

=)

no no no please no! malfurion is to epic to be killable by some horde scumm XD

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no no no please no! malfurion is to epic to be killable by some horde scumm XD

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Just like Illidan was to epic to be kileld by players of just how The Lich King is to epic to be killed?

Well Illidan lived for more than 10.000 years in a dungeon he was almost as old as history, yet it was killed ... But who knows maybe someone someday will take over his soul like he took over the power of Gul'Dan by consuming his skull ....

No, one is trully immortal in warcraft, all they can be is very very old.

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I'm just interested in what fandral has to say about troll druids...
he barely tolerates taurens as it is, but now they will start sharing the teaches of cenarius with those that aided in his death.

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He's not the only Archdruid and he's at best equally ranked with the others. Additionally we don't know what teachings exactly Troll Druids will be given, much like the pre-SWP Bloodelf Paladins weren't exactly taught the same virtues like those of the Silver Hand or those of the Naaru either.

Hi, my name is Vaiuri, and I HATE NElf mages.

So, ok, this fella in Dalaran stopped me the other day and asked me to deliver a book for him. To be honest, I wasnt really listening to everything he said because this sort of thing happens to me all the time. I was on my was to Darnassus anyway so thought, hey, why not help him out?

Imagine my suprise to discover this... Night Elf, reeking of arcane magic, hanging around the Temple of the Moon eyeing up the Moonwell?

Needless to say I attacked him on sight... or I would if he hadn't been tagged as friendly.

So, I suggest we mark these 'well wishing' interlopers as Neutral to their own people and let us, the people, decide if we want their kind amongst us. I think you'll find they'll stick to the Mage districts in Ironforge and Stormwind for their own safety - and never set foot on Teldrassil again.

Vive le Resistance!

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Hi, my name is Vaiuri, and I HATE NElf mages.

So, ok, this fella in Dalaran stopped me the other day and asked me to deliver a book for him. To be honest, I wasnt really listening to everything he said because this sort of thing happens to me all the time. I was on my was to Darnassus anyway so thought, hey, why not help him out?

Imagine my suprise to discover this... Night Elf, reeking of arcane magic, hanging around the Temple of the Moon eyeing up the Moonwell?

Needless to say I attacked him on sight... or I would if he hadn't been tagged as friendly.

So, I suggest we mark these 'well wishing' interlopers as Neutral to their own people and let us, the people, decide if we want their kind amongst us. I think you'll find they'll stick to the Mage districts in Ironforge and Stormwind for their own safety - and never set foot on Teldrassil again.

Vive le Resistance!

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I suggest to do the same with Human Warlocks then.