I've been transmuting an epic gem every day since the patch and got 2 procs of one extra gem so far. This is a bit ridiculous. Yes I know about RNG and all that but I was getting 2-4 eternals every 3-4 days before the patch. I assume the proc chance for epic gems is much lower than for eternals but I think it either needs to be raised slightly or the CD reduced to maybe 8-12 hours. Maybe even remove the CD for eternals but only for transmute masters so I can actually make some money with my prof. As it is now I can make more money farming honor in BG than I can with a profession I specialized in.

if you cant make money with transmution mastery in the way it is now ,then youre doing somehting terribly wrong. It's fine like it is now.

You were lucky before patch, and unlucky now. It's the same for all, and fine.

You say you can make more money farming BG than transmute mastery. Over how long time? It takes me 5 seconds to transmute into a cardinal ruby and that is 100G profit. How long time does it take to farm enough honor to buy 100g worth of gems? More than 5 seconds?

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You were lucky before patch, and unlucky now. It's the same for all, and fine.

You say you can make more money farming BG than transmute mastery. Over how long time? It takes me 5 seconds to transmute into a cardinal ruby and that is 100G profit. How long time does it take to farm enough honor to buy 100g worth of gems? More than 5 seconds?

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5 seconds every 20 hours? i can farm 30-50k honor in those 20 hours and buy 3-5 gems making profit 300-500gold. You fail sir.

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5 seconds every 20 hours? i can farm 30-50k honor in those 20 hours and buy 3-5 gems making profit 300-500gold. You fail sir.

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Lobotomy fails. Yeah, right.

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5 seconds every 20 hours? i can farm 30-50k honor in those 20 hours and buy 3-5 gems making profit 300-500gold. You fail sir.

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500 gold in 20 hours? Great job, I get 1500g/hour using my professions. The point is that while transmuting doesn't give a high gold/day, the gold/hour for time you actually spend using it is very good, like with most crafting compared to gathering. In a year I would have earned 36500g on transmute mastery with about an hour of actual time spent, while you would have to play for 61 days to get the same amount of gold.

Buffing professions that take 10 seconds to use and give 100g so that you get the same gold/day as someone that spends 10 hours gathering is a stupid idea.

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5 seconds every 20 hours? i can farm 30-50k honor in those 20 hours and buy 3-5 gems making profit 300-500gold. You fail sir.

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In fact...you fail sir!

We're talking time/effort ---> profit.
500g, even if we reduce your grinding time to a normal day of 8 hours thats 62.5g per hour of grinding/working.
Transmute, 5 second cast, 100g profit, thats 72000g per hour. Even if you extend that and factor in getting the items from your bank/mail box/ AH, thats what...2 minutes. Thats still 3000g per hour spent grinding/working.

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I've been transmuting an epic gem every day since the patch and got 2 procs of one extra gem so far. This is a bit ridiculous. Yes I know about RNG and all that but I was getting 2-4 eternals every 3-4 days before the patch. I assume the proc chance for epic gems is much lower than for eternals but I think it either needs to be raised slightly or the CD reduced to maybe 8-12 hours. Maybe even remove the CD for eternals but only for transmute masters so I can actually make some money with my prof. As it is now I can make more money farming honor in BG than I can with a profession I specialized in.

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All thourghout this month, I did an eternal transmute every day. Never got a proc. Not one single day. Yesterday, I got a 2x proc, and today I got a 4!
that's RNG for you.

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500 gold in 20 hours? Great job, I get 1500g/hour using my professions. The point is that while transmuting doesn't give a high gold/day, the gold/hour for time you actually spend using it is very good, like with most crafting compared to gathering. In a year I would have earned 36500g on transmute mastery with about an hour of actual time spent, while you would have to play for 61 days to get the same amount of gold.

Buffing professions that take 10 seconds to use and give 100g so that you get the same gold/day as someone that spends 10 hours gathering is a stupid idea.

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Lobotomy, I appreciate what you are saying but here's the thing. Every alchemist can transmute one gem a day, but elixir masters can then go on to make flask after flask getting procs like mad. A transmute master has a very low chance to get a proc once per day, he can not go and make elixirs and get procs.

Transmute masters should get some kind of buff, whether it be separate CDs for different types of items or shorter CDs than other alchemy masters, maybe both tbh. Right now there is almost no incentive to be a transmute master. There are no primal might type items which made transmute mastery somewhat viable in TBC. Gem procs are way too low to be considered a good reason to be a transmute master.

I'm actually going to look for a group to run CoT to change to elixir mastery. That way I can make my one gem a day and still make tons of elixirs.

Any new alchemists reading this - Do not take transmute mastery, it's a waste of time.

Edit: As far as BGs are concerned, I love doing BGs. I don't really consider it time spend farming. The gems I buy with honor are mainly just a by-product. It's kinda funny I can get more gems on my non-alchemist main every day than I can on this transmute "master" char.

You do realise all you need to do is go see your transmute mastery teacher, pay 150g to drop your mastery, go to shatt pick up elixer mastery without having to do the quest?

I found anything apart from elixir mastery was a waste of time having. Having no cooldown on the gem transmute would be extremely OP as far as gold making goes, its basically a free ticket to constant, easy to get, no effort involved gold.

And before you say thats the same as Elixir, buying the mats off the AH leaves you a small margin of profit, if you don't get a proc your lucky to make a profit at all. The gem transmute generally leaves you a minimum profit of 100g.

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Lobotomy, I appreciate what you are saying but here's the thing. Every alchemist can transmute one gem a day, but elixir masters can then go on to make flask after flask getting procs like mad. A transmute master has a very low chance to get a proc once per day, he can not go and make elixirs and get procs.

Transmute masters should get some kind of buff, whether it be separate CDs for different types of items or shorter CDs than other alchemy masters, maybe both tbh. Right now there is almost no incentive to be a transmute master. There are no primal might type items which made transmute mastery somewhat viable in TBC. Gem procs are way too low to be considered a good reason to be a transmute master.

I'm actually going to look for a group to run CoT to change to elixir mastery. That way I can make my one gem a day and still make tons of elixirs.

Any new alchemists reading this - Do not take transmute mastery, it's a waste of time.

Edit: As far as BGs are concerned, I love doing BGs. I don't really consider it time spend farming. The gems I buy with honor are mainly just a by-product. It's kinda funny I can get more gems on my non-alchemist main every day than I can on this transmute "master" char.

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You do realise that epic gems or in general the items on a 20 hr CD are not the only things you can craft as a transmuter?

At least as a transmuter you have a chance to proc off the largest profit/item thing you can create. And while with elixer mastery you can make nedless amounts of flasks etc, the price's for them are often hardly worth trying to sell on many servers.

Thing is if you get lucky with procs you makes heaps of money as transmute mastery.

I got an alchemist to 450 last week and ive been really lucky

1x ametrine
1x dreadstone
2x kings amber
2x ametrine
4x kings amber
4x cardinal ruby
2x cardinal ruby

i love my transmute mastery and i make a ton profit from other transmute too

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5 seconds every 20 hours? i can farm 30-50k honor in those 20 hours and buy 3-5 gems making profit 300-500gold. You fail sir.

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Gold per hour or day is not even a good measure for your gold earning efficiency.
Its more like gold per action (e.g. click one button to post 2k auctions with Appraiser as most extreme example).

Don't you really see difference between farming mobs 12 hours each day for say 300g/hour, yielding you 3600g/day total and spending about 30-60 min crafting/ah-ing (half of the time even afk) each day and earning the same profit per day?

Transmutation mastery is quite fail. it close to never procs.. while flasks/potions proc all the time.

I think both transmutation and flasks gives your same profit.
Transmutation gives your profit around 50-90g per transmutation, that makes 50-90g per day, because of CD.
Flasks give you cca 1-3g per flask, it is possible to sell around 30 flasks a day, making it 30-90g per day.
Removing CD on transmutation will not make making money faster, but will increase price of mats and decrease price of gems, making it almost same profit per gem like flasks, maybe little higher, because gems dont have that big demand as flasks..
Now to the mastery. From what I know all masteries have same proc rate. But problem here is not proc rate, but stability of proc rate. With transmutation, it is possible to go month without proc rate, making it practicaly useless. But with elixir, you get 2-6 additional flasks per day, giving you stable increase in profit.
So yeah, transmutation needs some mean to increase the stability of proc of additional gems or maybe some other means to increase additional profit.. like giving each color its separate CD or decrease CD for transmutation masters..
I think this goes to all profesions except gathering one. You cant make "big money" with them, but they are nice "few more golds at end of the day" income type.. except some realms with broken economy or big demand of specific crafted item, but that won last long and is probably temporary fluctuation(like demand of new epic gems with start of 3.2)

Ye I have been transmuting since day 1 as well, only got 2x proc twice

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I think both transmutation and flasks gives your same profit.
Transmutation gives your profit around 50-90g per transmutation, that makes 50-90g per day, because of CD.
Flasks give you cca 1-3g per flask, it is possible to sell around 30 flasks a day, making it 30-90g per day.
Removing CD on transmutation will not make making money faster, but will increase price of mats and decrease price of gems, making it almost same profit per gem like flasks, maybe little higher, because gems dont have that big demand as flasks..
Now to the mastery. From what I know all masteries have same proc rate. But problem here is not proc rate, but stability of proc rate. With transmutation, it is possible to go month without proc rate, making it practicaly useless. But with elixir, you get 2-6 additional flasks per day, giving you stable increase in profit.
So yeah, transmutation needs some mean to increase the stability of proc of additional gems or maybe some other means to increase additional profit.. like giving each color its separate CD or decrease CD for transmutation masters..
I think this goes to all profesions except gathering one. You cant make "big money" with them, but they are nice "few more golds at end of the day" income type.. except some realms with broken economy or big demand of specific crafted item, but that won last long and is probably temporary fluctuation(like demand of new epic gems with start of 3.2)

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Im sorry, but your comment of "it wont make making gold any faster" is wrong, even with what you say in your post. You example is that 30 elixirs need to be sold to make up for the 1 gem transmute profit. You sell 4 gems without cooldown, which is very easily done, we would need to sell 120 flasks, which is not so easily, done, 8 gems, 240 flasks. Do you see where im going with this?

Just picked up Alchemy. Spent 400g on Primal Mights for the Mastery, cause I'm lazy.

Going for the first Transmute right now. If I proc, you'll be Jealous!

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I've been transmuting one gem every day since the patch, and have had no extras made. So I am glad to know at least someone is getting the luck! I was starting to wonder if it just wasn't possible to proc extras on those gems...

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How did you manage to post with Blue letters?

You look just like a Blizzard employee (yes, I did went to the other forums to compare) :DD

Anyway (back on topic) c'mon, think a little about it, ...

Whenever I'm making flasks, I usually do 2 stacks. That's 40 flasks made (I also do enough elixirs to fill the 4 stacks me and my wife carrie). If you've been transmuting for 15 days, that's 15 transmutes made.
Since both the transmutes and the flasks have the same chance to proc, this type of posts are just like an elixir master complaining because once, he didn't get a proc on the first half of a stack.

What the OP should be ranting at is that there should be another way for the Transmute masters to make their extra gold, call it a proc normalization (with my apologies to any warrior for reminding them of their dark times) or some totally different way.

As it is, Transmute Mastery will ALWAYS get the short end of a stick, unless in revolution times when it will be vastly superior.