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We're much less concerned about more casual players because the specific choice of upgrade will mean less for them (skill outweighs the contribution of stats for all but the absolute best players) and they often choose pieces based on things like art over stats.

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Ok. Actually, I don't spend enough time or effort in the game to consider myself a hardcore player. I am nothing more than a casual, since I play few hours a day, preferring doing bgs with my gf and our irl friends, leveling an alt, skilling up my professions, doing a couple heroics, instead of hardcore raiding/arena. But hell, I've never chosen a piece of gear "based on things like art over stats". I love to upgrade my gear and enhanche my character, and I know (well) how to do it and what stats are the best for my class/spec. I'm not a brainless, and neither all "casuals" I know are so.
I know is difficult to realize, but being a "casual" is not the same as being a retard.

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Ok. Actually, I don't spend enough time or effort in the game to consider myself a hardcore player. I am nothing more than a casual, since I play few hours a day, preferring doing bgs with my gf and my our friends, leveling an alt, skilling up my professions, doing a couple heroics, instead of hardcore raiding/arena. But hell, I've never chosen a piece of gear "based on things like art over stats". I love to upgrade my gear and enhanche my character, and I know (well) how to do it and what stats are the best for my class/spec. I'm not a brainless, and neither all "casuals" I know are so.
I know is difficult to realize, but being a "casual" is not the same as being a retard.

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You are doing exactly what you are whining about, speaking for more than yourself, & while I agree not all casual players are retards, the same as not all raiders are skilled, I really dont see where they said "casuals are retards" or even implied it. The fact is some people consider looks more than stats & more often than not, these are casual players (I have never seen a raider take an item for looks). This is fact & nowhere in the blue post does it say this makes you a retard.

The lazy, retarded players stole the name "casual" from the real casual players years ago. Blizzard finally caught up with the community and started using that term just like the community uses it.


Casual players used to mean someone who plays this game not very often, and can only maybe do a heroic or two in the entire week, and would much rather spend time doing long questlines, exploring the world or maybe PvPing.

Casual today means lazy player that joins a Naxx pug, spends 7 hours wiping at Thaddius, and then cries about it being too hard, while comforting himself for at least not being one of those no-life hardcores, without even realizing that he spends more time playing this game than the actual hardcore people do.

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The lazy, retarded players stole the name "casual" from the real casual players years ago. Blizzard finally caught up with the community and started using that term just like the community uses it.


Casual players used to mean someone who plays this game not very often, and can only maybe do a heroic or two in the entire week, and would much rather spend time doing long questlines, exploring the world or maybe PvPing.

Casual today means lazy player that joins a Naxx pug, spends 7 hours wiping at Thaddius, and then cries about it being too hard, while comforting himself for at least not being one of those no-life hardcores, without even realizing that he spends more time playing this game than the actual hardcore people do.

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This.

I'm going to say this for the first time:

Bad, Ghostcrawler, bad. I do agree with the streamlining of the itemization, but casuals are also smart enough to know which gear is good for them.

I do agree that spreadsheets have to go, but not all "casuals" think about the looks.

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who was it anyway?

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It was Ghostcrawler.
Source: http://blue.mmo-champion.com/27/19378792832-i-do-not-want-player-stats-simplified.html

Here's the full quote for people who are tired of seeing GC quotes deliberately posted out of context:

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I find many of these arguments to be elitist. This is not a "catering to the casuals" issue. This is an issue that even some of our most educated and math-savy players could not make gear decisions without the help of external tools. We're much less concerned about more casual players because the specific choice of upgrade will mean less for them (skill outweighs the contribution of stats for all but the absolute best players) and they often choose pieces based on things like art over stats.

I'm talking about very hardcore raiders who no longer could eyeball a piece of gear with any degree of authority. I might believe that some very few of you are so proficient with the math as to be able to eyeball the stats, but I think you are vastly overestimating the number of players who can or do. Remember, the formula to convert armor penetration into damage was so complicated that we had to take the unusual step of actually spelling out how it was calculated.

With this change will you still have to make hard choices about upgrading? Absolutely. Will there still be quasi-religious debates about which neck is best in slot for a given spec? Of course. Will you still need to understand the mechanics to make the best choice for your character? We think so. One of our overall design philosophies for WoW (and Blizzard) is to be simple but have a lot of depth. Some people mistake needless complexity for depth.

Meanwhile, we think there is a lot of benefit of getting rid of problematic stats like defense and accomplishing things like letting casters improve by focusing on throughput over mana pool.

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What a surprise. The marine biologist without any experience in the video games industry who managed to become the lead designer of the most successful MMO.

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Yeah, I guess Blizzard shouldn't have settled with anything less then a born game developer.

Out of context, it does sound bad. Viewed within the context of his entire post, though, it seems fine. It is perhaps a bit carelessly phrased, but I think you'd have to be looking for offence in order to take it.

Well, I like to Battleground when i'm waiting for my friends, or sometimes when I go looking for group to get that item i've been trying to get, every now and again I will do a few Arena skrimishes, thinking of starting up a team when my friend levels high enough, I prefer to do 5 man dungeons as its in my comfort zone, I try to do VoA every week if I'm up for it.

I put out a good amount of DPS, occasionally roll for off spec if no one else needs it, It's like a smooth trip, when I do get an item it feels like i've earned it and I get a good feeling about it, very very rarely will I do raids, because I'm not fussed sometimes I may help out the Guild every once in a while do 1 or 2 bosses in Naxx if they are desperate, simply because I don't mind getting saved for just 1 boss.

I havent gone to Ulduar or even fully done Naxx yet, In my opinon a casual is someone who cannot dedicate certain times for Raids or spend more than a few hours straight for fear that he may have to leave a raid and let everyone down, I don't raid as I cannot go for more than an hour without knowing that it is likely that I will have to leave randomly.

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Here's the full quote for people who are tired of seeing GC quotes deliberately posted out of context:

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The fact of being posted out of context doesn't change the meaning of the quote.

Yeah, all casuals still farm full T2 or similar, just because it looks good :)

So now blizz thinks all casual players go "OOOOHH SHINY!!" when a new item drops?
I disagree,casual players are just as able to evaluate which item has better stats as a hardcore player.

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The fact of being posted out of context doesn't change the meaning of the quote.

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Context does change meaning. That's why we call it context. If it had no impact on the meaning of the statement, it wouldn't be context. You could reasonably argue that the rest of his post contained no context, however. (I wouldn't agree with that assertion, but it would at least make sense as an argument.)

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The fact of being posted out of context doesn't change the meaning of the quote.

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It does change.

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It does change.

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ok.