Thank you for nerfing our boss dmg back to the same level we used to have. With LB tick crit affecting hot streak, we could actually have a chance.

"mages are fine" -bliizzard

Tbh you can keep the multi-target LB and just give us hot streak proccing on LB periodic damage.

Tx for the quick nerf.
It was allmost too good to be true that we got closer to lock raid dmg.

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Tbh you can keep the multi-target LB and just give us hot streak proccing on LB periodic damage.

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Don't be retarded. That's stupid. LB like it is is perfect and most importantly, fun.

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Don't be retarded. That's stupid. LB like it is is perfect and most importantly, fun.

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Actually as a raiding mage I would prefer my version.

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Don't be retarded. That's stupid. LB like it is is perfect and most importantly, fun.

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Its mage forums, ofc this thread will get 5 pages of QQ

Mage dps is fine, l2p

W0W.. seriously? way too ramp up the Fire mage pvp represantation.... GG Blizzard

This change is really retarded. Our single target dps was finally near the other pure dps classes and now we are nerfed again to be in the middle of the pack. Multi-Target Living Bomb is fun but is relatively useless in PVE Bossfights (the only thing that really matters anyway).

Please revert this change or change Glyph of Living Bomb in a way that LB ticks still proc Hotstreak but are limited to 1 target.

The only situation I can image where LB Multi-target + Hot Streak proccing is slightly overpowered are BGs like Wintergraps or the new one if the opposing players are all standing in one spot. To be honest NOBODY CARES ABOUT PVP and BGs in particular. There should be no problems in arena because no serious pvp mage plays fire. So why for the love of god did you nerf this??? I seriously don't get it.
Also you nerfed it after only 1day. There is no real chance to get enough sample data to actually evaluate if it is overpowered or not. DKs, Feral druids, Ret Palas etc were overpowered FOR MONTHS before they got nerfed.

Please consider, reverting this change or at least find a better solution. Our single target dps is what matters and we can't quite keep up with other classes in that regard. Higher AoE damage is totally wothless 95% of the time.

group of 5 enemies, standing close to eachother, 100% critchance, no latency.

00:00:00:00 LB1 applied
00:00:01:50 LB2 applied
00:00:03:00 LB3 applied
00:00:03:00 LB1 DOT CRIT
00:00:04:50 LB4 applied
00:00:04:50 LB2 DOT CRIT
00:00:04:50 HOT STREAK PROC 1
00:00:06:00 LB5 applied
00:00:06:00 LB1 DOT CRIT
00:00:06:00 LB3 DOT CRIT
00:00:06:00 HOT STREAK PROC 2
00:00:07:50 LB2 DOT CRIT
00:00:07:50 LB5 DOT CRIT
00:00:07:50 HOT STREAK PROC 3
00:00:09:00 LB1 DOT CRIT
00:00:09:00 LB3 DOT CRIT
00:00:09:00 LB5 DOT CRIT
00:00:09:00 HOT STREAK PROC 4
00:00:10:50 LB2 DOT CRIT
00:00:10:50 LB4 DOT CRIT
00:00:10:50 HOT STREAK PROC 5
00:00:12:00 LB1 DOT CRIT
00:00:12:00 LB1 EXPLODE
00:00:12:00 HOT STREAK PROC 6
00:00:12:00 LB3 DOT CRIT
00:00:12:00 LB5 DOT CRIT
00:00:12:00 HOT STREAK PROC 7
00:00:13:50 LB2 DOT CRIT
00:00:13:50 LB2 EXPLODE
00:00:13:50 HOT STREAK PROC 8
00:00:13:50 LB4 DOT CRIT
00:00:15:00 LB3 DOT CRIT
00:00:15:00 HOT STREAK PROC 9
00:00:15:00 LB3 EXPLODE
00:00:15:00 HOT STREAK PROC 10
00:00:16:50 LB4 DOT CRIT
00:00:16:50 LB4 EXPLODE
00:00:16:50 HOT STREAK PROC 11
00:00:18:00 LB5 DOT CRIT
00:00:18:00 LB5 EXPLODE
00:00:18:00 HOT STREAK PROC 12

This is what happens with no latency, and 100% critchance.

-HS proc 1 cant be fired if you want to apply another LB in time and do more dps.
-HS proc 2 to 5 can be skipped. if you want to do more damage you use Blizzard to aoe them(explosion will kill them than, depending on HP)
-The last 6 HS procs can be fired, but blizzard still does more damage overall.
-If you want to fire all the HS procs(be it to defend yourself or not), it will activate a GCD which slows your LB rotation.(a fire mage will probably be defending himself with nova/block etc as fire survival is poor)
-The HS procs have an interval of 1.5 sec, thus a GCD, with some latency these will however overwrite eachother so you might be able to fire half of them.
-This is with 100% crit, against an average pvp target you'll have 25-30% crit at most, with a lot of resillience or pvp gear even less. which drops the total of HS procs. in theory only the LB explosions will crit enough to give the average pvp mage HS procs. taken into account that a pvp mage specs fire in the first place.

With more targets you'll only be spending more time to LB them instead of firing pyroblasts, as it does WAY more damage.

In my point of view it was not that overpowered, the LB being applied to multiple target is a more dangerous thing as it can take a group of people down really fast(just like with Seed of Corruption for that matter)

And as said above me, and said by various blizzard members before; PvP is not balanced around BGs, but Arena instead, where this all doesnt matter anyway.

PS: the calculations might be off as i just woke up and still need some coffee (GIV!)

Seems a bit amateurish to be honest. And yesterday for you is August the 6th ;]

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Seems a bit amateurish to be honest.

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Actually as a raiding mage I would prefer my version.

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I'll invalidate your opinion by checking your achievements and noticing you aren't even riding an iron bound proto drake. Therefore my opinion prevails as the victor.

I'll link you straight to my achievements on Armory for your convinience. http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-achievements.xml?r=Ravencrest&cn=Fired&gn=Clarity

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In discussion yesterday, we determined that with multiple targets per Mage, Living Bomb periodic damage triggering Hot Streak was too powerful. However, we still liked Living Bomb being used on multiple targets and didn’t want to change that. Instead, yesterday (Wed Aug 5) we hotfixed Hot Streak so it could no longer be triggered by periodic damage, resolving both the bug with Fireball and Frostfire Bolt, and the balance concern with Living Bomb.

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You seem to be too "sensitive" about Mage class' balance compared to other classes.

For example, pala's OPness had to be reviewed for a long time before you make the appropriate changes.


I'm really sorry for the off topic question here, but i was wondering; Is there a design decision behind this that you don't let Mages be what they're supposed to?


With regards,
me.

http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=10431393404&sid=1

Discusion on going about it here. Whine mages! Whine like you've never whined before!

You tits

/spit

did anyone actually test this %!!@ you are talking about before you nerfhotfix it?we didnt even had the time to test it and see the results and you remove it?why you didnt test it in PTR?are you even working there in blizzard or you just stranding and listen other classes QQ?you removed the only powerfull buff mages had in last years.and this buff will only make as competitive with othes dps classes.THIS ISNT OP.as you saying a mage can easy kill 10-15 allies In bgs.NO THEY CANT.BRING IT BACK FFS SERIUSLY,OR AT LEAST REMOVE MULTITARGET AND BRING BACK LB TRIGGERING HS.learn to test learn to discuss before you nerf something which isnt overpowered.ill be so sad but no surpriced if many mages quit wow.....

1 raid with dps wich could match the top, then back to middle.

Thanks blizz, really!